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 Post subject: Re: Banned from soberrecovery.com
PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 9:22 pm 
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Welcome.

First of all, you only take the medication one hour before you drink. So, once you are cured, you won't be taking the medication, unless you decide to drink. If you go back to drinking again without the drug, you will become re-addicted. And once you are cured, you will be drinking like a normal person on naltrexone.

Let me clear a few inaccuracies up from the other site. You still get a buzz while drinking on naltrexone. None of us here have wanted to stop taking the medication because we can still get a buzz while on the drug. So there is no reason to ever stop taking the naltrexone one hour before you drink. After taking the medication a few times, most of us cannot even tell it's in our system.

Let me know if you have any other questions.

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 Post subject: Re: Banned from soberrecovery.com
PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 9:27 pm 
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minneapolisnick wrote:
Welcome.

First of all, you only take the medication one hour before you drink. So, once you are cured, you won't be taking the medication, unless you decide to drink. If you go back to drinking again without the drug, you will become re-addicted.

Let me clear a few inaccuracies up from the other site. You still get a buzz while drinking on naltrexone. None of us here have wanted to stop taking the medication because we can still get a buzz while on the drug. So there is no reason to ever stop taking the naltrexone one hour before you drink. After taking the medication a few times, most of us cannot even tell its in our system.

Let me know if you have any other questions.



Then one isnt "cured" from the addiction. If you need to take the drug each time you drink, thats not a "cure",thats called treatment. I just have a problem with everyone using the word "cure" when it is not a cure. If it did cure you, you wouldnt need to take the drug again. People who had polio didnt need to get "re-vaccinated" every time. I just wish you guys would use the right terminology, thats all.


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 Post subject: Re: Banned from soberrecovery.com
PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 9:28 pm 
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dreadnought54321 wrote:
Ok Im new here. I saw the thread and was part of it. I just would like an answer to my question before. Can you stop taking the medication and go back to drinking normally?


I tried to answer your question a couple times over there (I was going by the username String), but I think my response was deleted before you could read it. :(

I think what you were asking over there was if you stopped taking Naltrexone, are you still cured. The answer to this is absolutely YES.

You do not need to take Naltrexone to remain cured.

With The Sinclair Method, we have but one rule. This is our Golden Rule and must be followed WITHOUT exception for the rest of our lives. The Golden Rule: If you are going to drink, then take Naltrexone one hour before drinking.

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 Post subject: Re: Banned from soberrecovery.com
PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 9:31 pm 
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dreadnought54321 wrote:
Ok Im new here. I saw the thread and was part of it. I just would like an answer to my question before. Can you stop taking the medication and go back to drinking normally?


I tried to answer your question a couple times over there (I was going by the username String), but I think my response was deleted before you could read it. :(

I think what you were asking over there was if you stopped taking Naltrexone, are you still cured. The answer to this is absolutely YES.

You do not need to take Naltrexone to remain cured.

With The Sinclair Method, we have but one rule. This is our Golden Rule and must be followed WITHOUT exception for the rest of our lives. The Golden Rule: If you are going to drink, then take Naltrexone one hour before drinking.



If you are cured, then why do you need to take Naltrexone every time you drink? I think you are not using the right terminology. You are referring to treatment. I thought myself once a pill could cure it, but then I asked myself, well if it does, why do I need to continue taking it? Thats not a cure, thats called treatment.


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 Post subject: Re: Banned from soberrecovery.com
PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 9:37 pm 
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WRONG, it's not treatment, it is a CURE. The pathways in your brain are actually re-wired to the way they were before you became addicted. You have no craving for alcohol, you can take it or leave it. The reason you continue to take the drug is because you can become RE-ADDICTED to alcohol. Our history proves conclusively that when we drink, we become addicted. It could happen again without the naltrexone. But you are, in fact, cured. No cravings and the brain is returned to its pre-addicted state.

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 Post subject: Re: Banned from soberrecovery.com
PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 9:46 pm 
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minneapolisnick wrote:
WRONG, it's not treatment, it is a CURE. The pathways in your brain are actually re-wired to the way they were before you became addicted. You have no craving for alcohol, you can take it or leave it. The reason you continue to take the drug is because you can become RE-ADDICTED to alcohol. Our history proves conclusively that when we drink, we become addicted. It could happen again without the naltrexone. But you are, in fact, cured. No cravings and the brain is returned to its pre-addicted state.


Do you have medical links to show that the pathways in your brain become rewired? I dont think you understand the disease of addiction. Thats like saying you can re-polio'ed.


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 Post subject: Re: Banned from soberrecovery.com
PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 9:49 pm 
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minneapolisnick wrote:
WRONG, it's not treatment, it is a CURE. The pathways in your brain are actually re-wired to the way they were before you became addicted. You have no craving for alcohol, you can take it or leave it. The reason you continue to take the drug is because you can become RE-ADDICTED to alcohol. Our history proves conclusively that when we drink, we become addicted. It could happen again without the naltrexone. But you are, in fact, cured. No cravings and the brain is returned to its pre-addicted state.

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I know I get excited too when new things come out to address addiction myself. But you need to look up the definition of "cure".

The question remains.....Can you stop taking the drug and go back to normal drinking?

Its a straight forward question that can be answered with a yes or a no.


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 Post subject: Re: Banned from soberrecovery.com
PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 9:52 pm 
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minneapolisnick wrote:
WRONG, it's not treatment, it is a CURE. The pathways in your brain are actually re-wired to the way they were before you became addicted. You have no craving for alcohol, you can take it or leave it. The reason you continue to take the drug is because you can become RE-ADDICTED to alcohol. Our history proves conclusively that when we drink, we become addicted. It could happen again without the naltrexone. But you are, in fact, cured. No cravings and the brain is returned to its pre-addicted state.



You guys are definitely on the right path. But its genetic. There are several genetic markers associated with addiction. With targeted gene therapy one day, there will be no need to have to keep taking a pill.


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 Post subject: Re: Banned from soberrecovery.com
PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 9:58 pm 
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It has a genetic component in that we are predisposed to addiction, but it is primarily a learned behavior. If you are really interested in TSM, I'll pick this up tomorrow. And by the way, whatever you want to call it, it works: Over 80% do not have cravings for alcohol after completing the program and drink at safe levels. That's a simple definition of cured and it applies to our cases here. Ask Bob3d, Q or the other ten people here if they consider themselves cured -- they do because they are. No cravings. And the brain is re-wired to its pre-addicted state -- proof coming later, I'm off to bed.

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 Post subject: Re: Banned from soberrecovery.com
PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 10:02 pm 
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dreadnought54321 wrote:
You guys are definitely on the right path. But its genetic. There are several genetic markers associated with addiction. With targeted gene therapy one day, there will be no need to have to keep taking a pill.


I don't think you will find anyone here that will disagree with the fact that genes play a role in our addiction to alcohol. Let us hope one day that medicine will achieve as you suggest.

However, until then we do have Naltrexone and it does work.

Tell us a little about yourself Dreadnought.

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