Lmao!!! Or that yelling Oxy guy

Like that glue infomercial, I've had requests to

FIX IT!!!

Chelate, there appears to be some negative reaction to the post about the lab. I think we'd rather hear you share your experiences doing TSM.

I'll leave it to you to decide whether to edit or delete the post. As you decide, you may want to keep in mind that the post may have a bearing on how you are perceived on the board.

We are proponents of free speech here, but commercial speech gets considerably less deference, in the courts and apparently here as well. The only "product we officially" endorse is Dr. Eskapa's $14 paperback book, because we agreed when we started the board that his book represents our organizing principles. When the book is widely read, we literally can be on the same page.

On the other hand, members have posted an variety of suggestions and links to information that may or may not involve $ such as vitamin supplements, online pharmacies, etc. -- and may or may not be related to TSM. myself I posted a link to MoodGym which, although free, is admittedly off-topic as to TSM. I never got a single complaint about the posts w/ information about the $$ seminar to be attended by Drs. Sinclair and Eskapa.

Here's a little-known fun fact: SpringerRider found TSM by accident! He saw a late-night TV ad for the book by the Passages/Malibu guy, which also includes "Cure for Alcoholism" in the title. Fortunately for him and for us, he went online and ordered Eskapa's book by mistake!!

BTW, on the Board Index, this thread is described as
"General discussion of alcoholism and its treatments. Jump on in!"

So, I suppose we should tolerate discussion of treatments that are not TSM. And we do discuss non-TSM, treatments such as baclofen and psychotherapy, both of which cost money.

Agreed. Let's keep it simple, people! The lab rats didn't have to have expensive adrenal tests run. . .they just took Naltrexone one hour prior to drinking, and were cured.

Why do so many people/companies prey on those who are already most vulnerable?

Sorry Chelate. . .I know you come from a place of conviction. But I did a series of articles on a well-known chelation therapist (MD) a few years back, and came to the conclusion that it is snake oil medicine. All my follow up research did not correlate with the results he was propounding. In fact, there were no appreciable benefits from those who entered into chelation therapy as opposed to treatment via traditional medicine (which is also sorely lacking, esp. in the U.S.).

Thanks...no problem. I don't have any connection to Sanesco except that I spent way too much money on their "protocol"...not the lab results.... I won't ever offer my experience again on this post....just trying to get to abstinence..glad you are "open-minded"

"As we all know, alcohol affects multiple neurotransmitters ... not just the opoid receptors much like cocaine and heroine do. So when we take our NAL, it seems to plug only one of the holes that is draining the life out of our bodies and our brains."

THIS IS NOT SHARING YOUR EXPERIENCE. This is drawing unverified and unscientific conclusions that naltrexone and TSM are bound for failure. So statements like this will be called out for what they are: bullshit.

Conversely, true statements of people's experience that go, "Hey, I'm on day 59 on naltrexone and have no reduction in consumption or cravings" will NEVER be rejected on this board because they wouldn't be transparently serving an ulterior motive.

Big difference.

Thanks, all, for your support and pep talk! One of my problems is that I'm too much of a people pleaser. I want my psych to think I'm a "good patient" and a "good person" blah blah blah. I have difficulty saying no, I'm not on that page. I'm worry that she'll think I'm not "helping myself." (Aargh, sometimes I wish I had a little Rosie O'Donnell in me!)

I didn't originally go to her for help with my alchohol problems. That was a side note to a depression issue I had when my cutting, lying, stealing, suspended-from-school, diabetic 15 yr old stepdaughter moved in with us last year. (That situation alone not helped my battle with alcohol, though.)

Anyway, I needed to hear your collective viewpoints. Thanks. <checking for backbone now...>

What a great group you are!!

Re: Chelate's post. Let's not forget that many of us (myself included) found our way here through MWO, a competing, for-profit program. It's all just information, from which we can make informed decisions as the adults we are.

Just one bird's opinion

Umm . . . back to Hoping's issues . . . . Hoping, do you think your psychiatrist's opinion is founded in the little drama with your husband and the police, and his contacting your psychiatrist?

There's that conflict of interest we discussed a while back.

UGH - Scrolling thru all this after reading Hoping's initial post...GAAAAWWWDDD!!! So frustrated for you. Get rid of that Dr! Find someone who does not give you grief. They are out there. But get rid of that asshole.

Period. The end.