OMG FB, you do have a sense of humor! How about 'pissnmepants' as a moniker?

Yes, this MB has been totally invaluable in helping many of us to stay the course. Nettie informed us that Dr. S's research subjects all were lighter drinkers than the majority of us - they had average of 47 upw. It only stands to reason that those of us who routinely averaged much more - I drank approx. 75 upw - will take longer to become de-programmed. I would not have known that from the book, and would certainly be very discouraged at the modest reduction in drinking I've experienced thus far.

I read Pisco's post over at MWO, and didn't consider it might have been a 'rah-rah' post. But it does seem odd that it came out of nowhere like that. You'd think if someone had that sort of experience/success they would have been shouting it from the roof tops!

Part of the true value of this board is for us as a group to correct one one another when we get off track. The notion that this is a three month program is an example of a misguided groupthink. "It took you a long time to reach your current craving and drinking levels and it will take at least three to four months to reverse the addiction." (Eskapa, p. 118 (italics his)). There are other references to six months but I don't have time to look. Typical gimme bevavior of alcohol addicts: We see "at least three" and we want three and we want it now.

I think at the core of this board is the "variables" that Firebird described.

Also, N101CS once said that to Drinking+Naltrexone=Cure, he would add a dose of patience. We can help each other with that.

These things are not reinventing the wheel.

If I get a vote, I vote for the more conversation the better.
Love Kris

Who said anything about less conversation????

I can't get off this board without saying "DITTO" WTE.

Firebird: LAUGHING MY ASS OFF.

The fact that I interpreted 'at least' 3-4 months to mean 'about' 3-4 months instead of 6 months has nothing to do with me displaying typical gimme behavior. If there was a reference to 6 months in the book, I admit I missed it as I'm sure many others did. I did not, however, read the book in order to quote it..it's not a bible to me. It was a quick read about a fairly easy to understand methodology with a lot of repetition...it helps some people to keep studying the book. It helps me to study the real-life goings on of this site.

The point of this specific example is, the book leads even a normal person to believe it will be a 3-4 month program...there is not much, if any, emphasis on it being a longer period of time to see results. The valuable discussions on this forum are what have brought forth the knowledge that it is likely to be a longer process as well as many other nuances of the program that are sparse on details in the book.

Firebird - ditto the laffs from me too. Thanks!

I think I may retire for awhile from here. I am really sad & tired -

Hi Folks,

The way I see it is like this. There are those people that prefer simplicity and there are those people that like to delve below the surface because it is their nature to do so. Neither is wrong and both can comfortably co-exist. What could be simpler than that?

V.

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This is exactly the type of info I hope Dr. Eskapa will include (and emphasize) in a future edition of the book. I feel something like this should also be a prominent "READ ME" section on this board, like "Things you won't find in the book". What do you think Lena? [quote]

I'm pretty sure Dr. Eskapa is mining this site for ideas for a second edition. If you want more, read the FAQ's post on this board, which is a section that was, sadly, deleted from the book. It's a gold mine of info. For example, he attributes the drowsiness many of us experience to alcohol (a depressant) without the stimulating effect of the endorphins (which can make us peppy and chatty -- the "life of the party").