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 Post subject: Re: Cheeto's Progress
PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2015 1:11 pm 
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I just wanted to update you guys and wondered if anyone else has this happening or has had it?
It's weird that when driving lately my depth perception seems to be off and I am over cautious of how close cars driving beside me are and am becoming more of a nervous driver. I also have 5 levels (I know weird) in my Town Home and am so used to going up and down the stairs over and over every day but now I find that I have to be careful cause I may miss step and either miss a step or misjudge there is another. Not sure what is going on with that but my head feels really strange and I am not sure but I chalk that up to the Nal in my system???
Anyone else have something like this?


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 Post subject: Re: Cheeto's Progress
PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2015 1:20 pm 
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Cheeto, no I haven't experienced anything like that myself. Do please be careful, though!! XOXO Newlife

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started 3/3/15
Pre-TSM 26 - 30 US Units/week

Month 1 16/wk av 4AF month
2 17/wk av 5 AF
3 18/wk av 6 AF
4 NT
5 NT
6 NT
7 17/wk av 4 AF
8 17/wk av 5 AF
9 13/wk av 5 AF
10 & 11 NT
Beginning tracking again Week 48
Wk 48 18/2 49 14.5/2


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 Post subject: Re: Cheeto's Progress
PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2015 1:24 pm 
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Oh gosh Cheeto - no, I have had nothing like that - maybe something else is going on and because of the Nal you are just attributing it to that? Have you Googled SE's of Nal? I never usually advise that as I do not want to know - but maybe you should just to see if it is a SE? OR - here's another thought - try going AF for a couple of days to see if you feel differently ? I know that is really hard - but at least it should tell you if it is the Nal or not.....

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 Post subject: Re: Cheeto's Progress
PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2015 1:54 pm 
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Thanks newlife I am overly careful because of these syptoms lately.
Yes Maggie, I am trying to go AF starting today for a few days if I possibly can and will see how different things are, Thanks!


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 Post subject: Re: Cheeto's Progress
PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2015 2:37 pm 
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oddly enough I've had something similar. since I've been on Nal I've been less confident/more cautious about driving at night. as you say, I've been less confident in judging distances/depths, although I haven't noticed it in the daytime

saying that, I've just been out in the car (in the dark) & having been AF & Nal-free for a few days, I seem to be back to normal

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 Post subject: Re: Cheeto's Progress
PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2015 12:16 pm 
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I was just going over some reading of Dr Roy Eskapa's comments. I know we should all strive for AF days and being much more mindful drinking but if it was that was as easy like some have been telling us then we would not be here and with an alcohol problem. Sometimes it makes me feel even more discouraged and like a failure that I cannot do as others are telling me with more AF days, etc but maybe that is just me? As he says below " However, the crux of the addiction is that there is a loss of control over the drinking and the Sinclair Method is all about restoring control - by correcting 'learned' physiology through blocking reinforcement to the opioid system"

Here is what he says regarding "How much effort at Moderation ... ?"

Extinction will occur if you drink while an opioid antagonist (naltrexone or nalmefene) has been absrobed into your blood-stream and you drink. Drinking + naltrexone sessions add together gradually until you notice the change - and this takes time. Naltrexone itself is merely a tool unlike say a painkiller or blood pressure medication which act all by themselves - without you having to make a behavior you notice the difference rather quickly. Use 'willpower' to moderate - IF you can by all means. However, the crux of the addiction is that there is a loss of control over the drinking and the Sinclair Method is all about restoring control - by correcting 'learned' physiology through blocking reinforcement to the opioid system ...

PS --- think billions of receptors and trillions of networked connections which have become super-highways as a result of getetic predisposition and learned drinking - extinction cuts back the super-highwaya, as Sincalir calls them, so that they are restored or corrected to a state of normal pathways...


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 Post subject: Re: Cheeto's Progress
PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2015 3:44 pm 
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I'm curious what our daily count looks like, if your AF(s) are always around certain days and you highest drinking days are always soon after an AF.

Since you hover around the same number but your AF days vary, you have to be making up the slack somewhere. Maybe those peaks would point to something?

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PreTSM: 68 (0 AF)
Week 1: 40 (0 AF)
2: 51 (1 AF)
4: 39 (1 AF)
6: 24 (3 AF)
8: 9 (5 AF)
10: 11 (4 AF)
12: 24 (3 AF)
14: 19 (4 AF)
15: 26 (3 AF)


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 Post subject: Re: Cheeto's Progress
PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2015 4:34 pm 
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Jackson, looking at my Daily Drink Chart it is opposite with me as I drink too much and then have an AF Day cause I feel so awful. The day after an AF day I drink as I usually would but I have at least 1 day a week where I drink more than the others and that is what brings my numbers up. Try as I have with measuring, spacing my drinks, drinking water in between, etc I end up at within the same number each week.


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 Post subject: Re: Cheeto's Progress
PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2015 10:40 am 
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Cheeto your pattern actually sounds a lot like mine. Newlife

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started 3/3/15
Pre-TSM 26 - 30 US Units/week

Month 1 16/wk av 4AF month
2 17/wk av 5 AF
3 18/wk av 6 AF
4 NT
5 NT
6 NT
7 17/wk av 4 AF
8 17/wk av 5 AF
9 13/wk av 5 AF
10 & 11 NT
Beginning tracking again Week 48
Wk 48 18/2 49 14.5/2


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 Post subject: Re: Cheeto's Progress
PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2015 10:55 am 
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It is just 30 weeks in. From what I've read around, the best thing would probably be to try to stick it out longer (as frustrating as that is).

Depending how you feel about it, you could try doing 75mg doses and see if anything changes. If it doesn't seem to help any, I'd then go back to 50.

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Heavy drinker for 15 years.
Started TSM 4/23/15
PreTSM: 68 (0 AF)
Week 1: 40 (0 AF)
2: 51 (1 AF)
4: 39 (1 AF)
6: 24 (3 AF)
8: 9 (5 AF)
10: 11 (4 AF)
12: 24 (3 AF)
14: 19 (4 AF)
15: 26 (3 AF)


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