Why is it that people who feel TSM has "cured" them of their addiction are very closed to hearing views different to their own?

Take two different websites where I posted my thoughts on TSM. One called "Naltrexone Confidential" the host of which seems to see even the slightest criticism as some sort of conspiracy. On another website that has a space for people to post views was the same, not posting what I thought to be some pros and cons of TSM.

I've even been threatened with legal action from someone for simply asking some questions regarding TSM!

My late brother had a bad problem with alcohol plus some mental issues. TSM would not have helped him as he had not the self discipline to follow instructions of that nature, that and the fact that I believe he drank for other reasons than for an endorphin rush.

Also I don't know if it is a wise thing to be blocking ones Opiate Receptors for extended periods.

So I stopped TSM just before Christmas. There is just too many unknowns for me.

Hard to say without hearing the views.

Im a zealot when it comes to vaccinating children. I find most people have no idea of the hardships wrought by diseases now under control (ever see pics of the old iron lungs for people with polio?) or iradicated (smallpox anyone?) through the work of good, hardworking scientists. Morons impune the motives of dedicated genius doctors and scientists because money is made in the process.

You see, nowadays, with communication being nearly free, anyone can speak to the world, no matter how stupid the view. Makes me almost nostalgic for the days of filtered news, when you had to own a printing press or broadcast tower.

Sounds like you might have a bit of a problem with free-speech, why would any thinking person want only the views of a select few heard in a democracy? I was different hundreds of years ago when the masses had no education.

Vaccinating children is a completely different subject to TSM, so let us stick to TSM. Also when one calls others with thought out opinions "morons" I believe it tells us more about that person.

As I asked, why the zealots? TSM is just one treatment, NOT the be all and end all of life.

I took it as a more general question. I dont have a problem with free speech, I have a problem with idiots. Just because one has an opinion, doesnt imply that its good one. Oh, and at least in the US (not sure if daveAus is Austin or Australia or something else) our free speech rights only are good against the government shutting us up. Individuals running blogs or forums can censor at will. I assume that people are taking thier time and money (doubt nal blogs are profitable) to try and help people, and they didnt think your posts were furthering that goal.

I doubt that you would be censored here, what are your arguments against TSM?

Yes people who run sites can censor at will but I wonder why some feel the need to? Yes you sound like an American

I'm from Her Majesty's great southern Realm of Australia.

Just re-read what I said that is enough of what I think of TSM.

The Naltrexone Confidential guy annoys me as well. I can't speak to the other site, since I don't know which one you mean.




Who the heck threatened to sue you? That's a new one on me. Unless you were defaming somebody or something, I guess.



I'm sorry to hear about your brother.

It's entirely possible that TSM would not have helped him. A 70% success rate is not a 100% success rate. Your brother may have been one of the 10% who were addicted via some other means or one of the 20% who didn't/wouldn't/couldn't follow the protocol.




Was there a particular reason you stopped? Say, that it had been some months and it didn't seem to be helping? Or was it more of a philosophical objection?

That's a loaded question (a logical fallacy) so there's no way to really answer it. But, yeah, it's pretty much human nature and is part of the human condition -- us versus them. AA does it to an extreme. I've never heard anyone on this site say that TSM is the "only way." I've seen "enthusiasts" and "cheerleaders," but not "zealots," per se. Even the most extreme enthusiasts have generally said at some point, "TSM is not for everybody."

Hi again melissa1928,

In the end my brother did not have enough money to buy alcohol too often but when he could he would drink to the extreme.

For me the side-effects and unknown about Naltrexone was too much. That and the fact that I enjoy a drink, I drink lots of water between drinks and drink lot of Chinese tea as well. I take different supplements etc. cross my fingers and hope for the best.

FWIW, moderate drinking can be learned. Down Your Drink has statistically good results, and you can do it entirely online. There's also Moderation Management, which has worked for many despite not working for its own founder.

I've heard it said that if you can stick to a drinking plan for 30 days, you're probably in good shape. The plan doesn't have to be abstinence. It could be something along the lines of "Drink only on weekends, have water in between drinks, and never drink more than five in one day/night." If you can do that, you can probably retrain yourself to be a moderate drinker.

Or so some say.

I assume that plans like "Drink every night until unconscious" don't count.

I don't like to drink untill I'm staggering about etc. but I have a very high tolerance for alcohol. I read someone here saying they drank 25 units a week before TSM, now even if that is US units I thought "I drink that in two day standing on my head!".

I try to leave my nightly drink as late as I can, so I only have a few then go to bed. If I don't have just a few drinks I don't sleep. My love of Chinese Tea has saved me - it's a huge hobbie!