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 Post subject: We should be truthful
PostPosted: Thu Dec 26, 2013 9:18 pm 
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The Naltrexone Confidential guy is getting on my nerves.

http://naltrexoneconfidential.com/

This blog is fairly popular, I think. At least, the linked Facebook page has quite a few likes.

The guy gets on my nerves with his frequent insistence that there is no pleasure to be had from drinking alcohol. It's a sort of Allan Carr philosophy -- there's no real pleasure, only temporary relief from the pain of addiction.

If that's so, then why do non-addicted people ever drink alcohol? Carr claims that they are addicted, that all drinkers of alcohol are addicted, but that some haven't realized it yet. The Naltrexone Confidential guy hasn't taken a position on it yet. I'm not sure he's thought about it.

BTW, it is well established that alcohol gives pleasure. Claiming that that's not so is just . . . dumb. Drinking alcohol, in everyone, causes the release of endorphins. This is so thoroughly established that any research contradicting it would be revolutionary. A handful of people asserting that their pleasure was only relief from withdrawal does not count as revolutionary research.

My experience is not regarded as valid. I twice left comments explaining that my experience differed from his -- both were completely civil and respectful; neither was approved for posting. I wrote to ask if I had offended him in some manner -- he ignored me and never responded. I know that some communication is achieved, though, because he keeps writing about . . .

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ignorant, ill-informed people free advertising space on here to spread lies, misinformation and disinformation


I really, really hope that he's talking about someone else when he rants about people trying to engineer conflict and people with hidden agendas deliberately spreading false information. Unfortunately, I don't think he gets as much email as all that. The blog is successful, but not to the point where he's getting a hundred pieces of email per day. If he received that much, he'd have more than the occasional needle in a haystack to approve for the comments section.

You may wonder why I read the blog if it bugs me. That's simple -- I read it because it's an active outlet for information and action re TSM.

I do wish the major outlets of information would be honest. This isn't AA. We don't need to lie to trick people into trying it.

I'm not a fan of the "And you can still drink!" hook for TSM. It's misleading. It plants the idea that the pill will turn us into normal people who can enjoy a few without going overboard. That means that more people are willing to try it, sure, but what happens when those people realize that they can drink only in the literal sense of ingesting the beverage, that they can't have what normal people have?

I'll tell ya what happens -- they ditch the pill. Like Joethelion's wife, like barryb, like all the others who have come and then gone, they get rid of the thing which was interfering with their drinking.

Telling the truth about pleasure being blocked would discourage some folks from trying, but would make the noncompliance problem all but disappear. The desperate folks who really need it would still jump on board. The folks who'd ditch after a few weeks or months would just never do it in the first place.

Alcohol is not a deadly trap of a liquid which people drink only because they're addicted. It's a chemical which generates artificial and temporary happiness in all, leading to addiction in some.

TSM is not a delicate scalpel which lets us enjoy alcohol like ladies and gentlemen. It's a sledgehammer which blocks opioid receptors, allowing us to trick our lower brains into dissociating alcohol and euphoria.

Those are not just my experiences, they're solid, fact-based views. They're also thoughtcrime, not only to AA zealots but to the few best-known TSM advocates.

“Falsehood flies, and the truth comes limping after it.”

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 Post subject: Re: We should be truthful
PostPosted: Thu Dec 26, 2013 10:39 pm 
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Im glad I didnt read the book, so I didnt have my expectations really high.

But yes, the hook is you will be normal. The hook should be, you wont want to drink and you wont care.

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Skipping nal? Not waiting the full hour?

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinforcement

Read "intermittent reinforcement" and "schedules"

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15 Oct 13: 3.5
17 Nov 13: 1.75
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 Post subject: Re: We should be truthful
PostPosted: Tue Jan 07, 2014 2:31 am 
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melissa1928, That bloke who has the "Naltrexone Confidential" is a fanatically zealot for TSM and sees conspiracies in just about everything, he also has Bi-Polar and may need his meds checked.

Like you I have written sensible post that never make it on for others to read. He is also in with that vulgar women Claudia Christian (who I can tell you can be very nasty).

I stopped TSM a bit before Christmas and have never felt better. Living life instead of counting drinks, drinks taste better and I don't get those awful TSM hangovers, nightmares and restlessness! Drinking less too but still a lot . But so what some people drink more than others.

cheers


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 Post subject: Re: We should be truthful
PostPosted: Tue Jan 07, 2014 2:31 am 
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Also look up the supplement NAC many believe it can help you cut down, if that is what you want to do.


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 Post subject: Re: We should be truthful
PostPosted: Tue Jan 07, 2014 9:54 am 
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I dont think anyone debates that you feel worse on nal. Read my first post here and you might be surprised at just how terrible I feel on nal. My handle isnt random.

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Skipping nal? Not waiting the full hour?

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinforcement

Read "intermittent reinforcement" and "schedules"

Pre: 14-30/wk
9 Oct 13: 2.5
15 Oct 13: 3.5
17 Nov 13: 1.75
28 Feb 14: 2
1 Apr 14: 2


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 Post subject: Re: We should be truthful
PostPosted: Tue Jan 07, 2014 10:37 am 
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DaveAus wrote:
melissa1928, That bloke who has the "Naltrexone Confidential" is a fanatically zealot for TSM and sees conspiracies in just about everything, he also has Bi-Polar and may need his meds checked.


I agree that he has issues. That's one of the reasons I started a blog -- so that there's an ongoing source of information written by a sensible person.

I like to think that I'm a sensible person. :lol:

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Like you I have written sensible post that never make it on for others to read. He is also in with that vulgar women Claudia Christian (who I can tell you can be very nasty).


You've met her? I've heard that notorious interview on YouTube and wasn't impressed with her, but I don't know a whole lot about her.

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I stopped TSM a bit before Christmas and have never felt better. Living life instead of counting drinks, drinks taste better and I don't get those awful TSM hangovers, nightmares and restlessness! Drinking less too but still a lot . But so what some people drink more than others.

cheers


Interestingly, I was just going to write about this today. In a sane society, the first advice to anyone who drinks too much should be "Hey, dude, you should cut down." Many people can and do, without any fuss or drama.

I was going to write more here, but decided to save it for the blog.

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 Post subject: Re: We should be truthful
PostPosted: Tue Jan 07, 2014 11:34 am 
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Being intrigued by this thread, I looked up this Naltrexone Confidential.

The title is NC - A website dedicated to promoting awareness of The Sinclair Method

Based on this, I don't understand the following.

1. Whoever runs this blog is well within his right to print/or not print any responses he receives.

2. The blog is to promote the Sinclair Method.


Based on what you say, both Melissa and Dave, you have had articles refused?


Well, if it didn't agree with this persons statement to promote TSM why would you expect it to be printed?

Would you walk into Walmart to buy your bread, and find a sign next to the bread saying....'we are promoting this bread but you may not like it, why not try some other bread instead'.

No. Whether right or wrong, you would expect Walmart to promote their bread on the basis of Try It and See.

If you don't like it, fine, try something else. But they wouldn't actively give differing opinions would they?


Maybe the same is true of this Naltrexone Confidential - try TSM, see if you like it, and if not try something else.

Based on what Dave has written, he has had a bad experience with TSM. Well, if you went into Walmart and told them you didn't like their bread, would you really, honestly expect them to promote that Dave???

Of course not!


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 Post subject: Re: We should be truthful
PostPosted: Tue Jan 07, 2014 11:39 am 
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liber wrote:
Being intrigued by this thread, I looked up this Naltrexone Confidential.

The title is NC - A website dedicated to promoting awareness of The Sinclair Method

Based on this, I don't understand the following.

1. Whoever runs this blog is well within his right to print/or not print any responses he receives.

2. The blog is to promote the Sinclair Method.


Based on what you say, both Melissa and Dave, you have had articles refused?


Well, if it didn't agree with this persons statement to promote TSM why would you expect it to be printed?

Would you walk into Walmart to buy your bread, and find a sign next to the bread saying....'we are promoting this bread but you may not like it, why not try some other bread instead'.

No. Whether right or wrong, you would expect Walmart to promote their bread on the basis of Try It and See.

If you don't like it, fine, try something else. But they wouldn't actively give differing opinions would they?


Maybe the same is true of this Naltrexone Confidential - try TSM, see if you like it, and if not try something else.

Based on what Dave has written, he has had a bad experience with TSM. Well, if you went into Walmart and told them you didn't like their bread, would you really, honestly expect them to promote that Dave???

Of course not!


You may be missing my point. I question why he chooses not to publish some things, not his right not to publish.


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 Post subject: Re: We should be truthful
PostPosted: Tue Jan 07, 2014 11:46 am 
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Isn't it the same thing, Dave?

I was trying to say that whoever runs the blog has presumably chosen not to print your comment because it disagrees with his statement of promoting TSM and that they may have taken the view that it is better for a reader to make the decision to TRY TSM themselves based on positive information rather than bad experiences.

Can you tell us what your comment was? That will help us know the situation better.

If your comment was something like 'I stopped TSM due to bad effects', they why would you even THINK he would print that?

Some people have bad effects, some don't. Even some people like Melissa didn't enjoy drinking on Nal but she has opted to make the decision to continue and has been successful.

If your comment was negative, then by printing it the blog may put someone off even trying TSM and finding out for themselves.

Like I say, would you expect Walmart to make public that you didn't like their bread??


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 Post subject: Re: We should be truthful
PostPosted: Tue Jan 07, 2014 11:50 am 
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liber wrote:
Isn't it the same thing, Dave?

I was trying to say that whoever runs the blog has presumably chosen not to print your comment because it disagrees with his statement of promoting TSM and that they may have taken the view that it is better for a reader to make the decision to TRY TSM themselves based on positive information rather than bad experiences.

Can you tell us what your comment was? That will help us know the situation better.

If your comment was something like 'I stopped TSM due to bad effects', they why would you even THINK he would print that?

Some people have bad effects, some don't. Even some people like Melissa didn't enjoy drinking on Nal but she has opted to make the decision to continue and has been successful.

If your comment was negative, then by printing it the blog may put someone off even trying TSM and finding out for themselves.

Like I say, would you expect Walmart to make public that you didn't like their bread??



Just drop it OK. The man is very strange and needs to be brought down a peg or two.


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