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 Post subject: Troubleshooting flow chart
PostPosted: Thu Jan 02, 2014 5:59 pm 
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I threw this together to see if it would be useful. I think it covers most (although of course not all) of the problems we've seen here.

http://naltrexonekey.blogspot.com/p/blog-page.html

I'd like feedback. I know the format needs work, but there's no point in doing that until I know if the content is useful.

I know there's one part which still needs some real reworking. See if you can spot it. :)

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 Post subject: Re: Troubleshooting flow chart
PostPosted: Thu Jan 02, 2014 6:22 pm 
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A couple of things.
I don't agree with your "just different somehow' box that says folk who answered this way will not benefit from TSM. I think you are making claims that may put people off. For example, I am in the 'just different somehow' camp and I know TSM is working for me.

I also think you need to cite some references for your claims.

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Began TSM - 26 Nov 2013
Weeks 1-12 (units/AF)
16/2 | 15/1 | 22/0 | 28/0 | 24/1 | 30/2 | 22/1 | 33/1 | 27/2 | 10/2 | 16/1 | 17/2

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 Post subject: Re: Troubleshooting flow chart
PostPosted: Thu Jan 02, 2014 6:24 pm 
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having trouble with the link to your file. nothing seems to happen. can't view it.

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month - weekly total - AF days

1 - 69,42,31,41 - 1
2 - 32,47,41,39 - 0
3 - 44,45,40,47 - 0
4 - 42,51,50,42 - 0
5 - 46,48,45

Goal: <15 weekly, at least 2 AF weekly


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 Post subject: Re: Troubleshooting flow chart
PostPosted: Thu Jan 02, 2014 6:48 pm 
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k3510 wrote:
A couple of things.
I don't agree with your "just different somehow' box that says folk who answered this way will not benefit from TSM. I think you are making claims that may put people off. For example, I am in the 'just different somehow' camp and I know TSM is working for me.


Yep, that is the part I need to rework a bit. :) That and the "I'm not sure" if it's different are more complicated than I currently have them.

k3510 wrote:
also think you need to cite some references for your claims.


I'm worried about limited space. Maybe endnotes?

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 Post subject: Re: Troubleshooting flow chart
PostPosted: Thu Jan 02, 2014 6:49 pm 
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5dogssnoring wrote:
having trouble with the link to your file. nothing seems to happen. can't view it.


Hmm. Here's a direct link to the gif, although it'll be hard to read until you blow it up.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-OByaJe5TUro/U ... wchart.gif

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 Post subject: Re: Troubleshooting flow chart
PostPosted: Thu Jan 02, 2014 6:56 pm 
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stiil can't see it. get this message: Oops! Internet Explorer could not find 3.bp.blogspot.com
Did you mean: blogspot.­com

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month - weekly total - AF days

1 - 69,42,31,41 - 1
2 - 32,47,41,39 - 0
3 - 44,45,40,47 - 0
4 - 42,51,50,42 - 0
5 - 46,48,45

Goal: <15 weekly, at least 2 AF weekly


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 Post subject: Re: Troubleshooting flow chart
PostPosted: Fri Jan 03, 2014 1:08 pm 
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Well, let's not worry about it for now. It's pretty darn hard to distill the entire group's wisdom into a single flow chart. :lol: I'm still working.

I'll post when I have a new version.

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 Post subject: Re: Troubleshooting flow chart
PostPosted: Fri Jan 03, 2014 3:26 pm 
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I like the flowchart. Good Job :)

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Season-1 (Wk 1-12): 23,38,24, 31,29,30 39,44,46, 47,31,29 (AU u) & Avg AF=3
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 Post subject: Re: Troubleshooting flow chart
PostPosted: Sat Jan 04, 2014 7:24 am 
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Looks pretty good. A comment on style, Id leave off the "you are a special snowflake" stuff.

The end part could use tightening, Id use more, you have ingrained habits that have less to do with alcohol dependency than other factors. People do in fact need to make life changes. The whole "just take one pill" leaves that out.

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http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinforcement

Read "intermittent reinforcement" and "schedules"

Pre: 14-30/wk
9 Oct 13: 2.5
15 Oct 13: 3.5
17 Nov 13: 1.75
28 Feb 14: 2
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 Post subject: Re: Troubleshooting flow chart
PostPosted: Sat Jan 04, 2014 8:21 am 
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Wow melissa, you've been busy! I like the flowchart...an interesting idea. I guess my feedback is a bit like Kerri's. It's the "is your drinking significantly different" part. I don't know how to answer that. It is in that I don't get drunk when I take nal and alcohol, I don't want to drink anywhere near as much and most importantly I find my brain telling me after a couple "I've had enough" without any concious effort on my part. But, my reaction isn't "no joy", it's not an unpleasant reaction when drinking and the wine doesn't taste like vinegar. For me, at the moment, I still like wine and get a different level of enjoyment out of it but the switch which said "have more" has been turned off....the switch that says "have some" is still in the on position.

I don't know what it is with wine drinking...why do the wine drinkers take longer? Does it just taste nicer than spirits and beer? For me, I think it's because it's also linked with food and maybe that means there's a more deep seated addiction at work. I really only drink with a meal. If I'm drinking outside of a mealtime (say whilst playing cards with friends) they'll be snacks and I'll drink whilst eating them. It's very rare for me to drink and not eat...but I'm starting to think that I'm a special case!!

This wasn't in your flowchart but I also wanted to comment on what you said in your blog about pregnancy and how you'd lost the desire for alcohol. I never experienced that. I didn't drink when pregnant or breastfeeding, but I still wanted to. It wasn't quite whiteknuckling as I knew that alcohol would be harmful and so I could pacify my brain with that somehow, but throughout I was looking forward to the day when I could have a glass of wine again. I wonder what, if any, significance that might have?

Keep up the good work and thanks for all the effort :)

Ruth

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Pre-TSM average of 60 UK units per week
(Approx.34 US units)

1-6 : 37,45,46,39,23,43
7-12: 30,? ?,24,27,25
13-18:21,19,23,17,21,4
19-24: 24,19,25,26,32,
25-32: ??,11,10,9,12,11,9
33-37: not tracked
38-40: 11,9,9
Reached safe limits so no more counting


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