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 Post subject: Begin again
PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 10:26 am 
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Ok- Ive done the TSM thing more than once Im ashamed to say and I just cant seem to get it into my thick scull that I have to take the pill 1 hour before drinking each and every time I drink. For Heavens sake whats so difficult to understand. As soon as it starts to work and I start to feel normal again, I mess up again. Ive all sorts of excuses but at the end of the day it boils down to me drinking without nal. Im ok for a few days or weeks and before I know it Im misserable and having the same old converstions with myself every morning, full of depression and self hate. Im a sneaky drinker so tend to gulp or throw one back when I get the chance and then drink me legal one with hubby or whoever else Im with. So even with nal I think I out drink it if that makes sense.

Ok, so its back to the drawing board. Drank 4 glasses of wine and two vodkas last night with nal. Im not drinking tonight but will come in tomorrow and every day here to keep me accountable. Please God let me not be an idiot again this time.


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 Post subject: Re: Begin again
PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 12:48 pm 
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Hi Trisha,

Glad to see you back. I'm not an AA advocate, but one thing I did take away from those meetings is that "alcoholism is a cunning and baffling disease". So true. Have faith and follow the TSM rules. I've only been on Nal for a week now and am frustrated because I'm not seeing results yet! I am soooo impatient.

Hang in there and keep us posted on your progress.

Cindy

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units for week 1-- 7,7,6,6,8,6,6 Total=46
units for week 2-- 8,12,5,6,6,6,6 Total=49
units for week 3-- 6,6,8.4,7,6,10 Total=47
units for week 4-- 9,12,10,8,16,8 Total=63
units for week 5-- 7,6


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 Post subject: Re: Begin again
PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 3:22 pm 
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Trisha,

The good thing about TSM is there is no restart penilty. Don't beat yourself up just follow the rule Nal + 1hr and get back on the program.

I'm sneaky too and that's a hard habit to break - but you'll do it!

Rich

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wk10: AF, AF
wk9: AF, AF, 10, AF, 4, 6, AF
wk8: AF, 10, AF, 4, 10, 7, 10
wk7: AF, 10, AF, AF, AF, 10, 2
wk6: 10, AF, 10, AF, AF, 6, AF
wk5: 16 - 5AF
wk4: 45 - 3AF
wk3: 12 - 6AF
wk2: 30 - 2AF
wk1: 18 - 3AF
-TSM-
wk-1: 133 - 0AF
wk-2: 71 - 2AF


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 Post subject: Re: Begin again
PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 7:07 pm 
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Hi Trisha, me too for the old re-start. How about just taking the naltrexone at noon then you won't have to worry about it later? It should last unless you are drinking gallons until 2am which it doesn't sound like you are doing.

And yes, keep in touch! We're all here :lol:
Babs


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 Post subject: Re: Begin again
PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 12:01 am 
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Welcome. I am also doing TSM again after a failed attempt, for the same reason you described -- not following the protocol properly. Always take the pill at least an hour before drinking. Skipping the pill or taking it with your first drink is cheating, and TSM WILL NOT WORK if you do it that way. Now that I am following it strictly, it's a whole different situation. It works, I don't get the euphoria I used to get, and drinking more only gives me more negative side effects, not more temporary pleasure. It's rough giving up that high, and to be honest with you, I really miss it and crave it badly, but I'm going to keep plugging along, and I hope you will too. The end result is worth it...imagine what it will be like to be finally freed from this condition. I am eagerly looking forward to post-alcoholic life. Keep your eyes on the prize and always take the pill sooner rather than later. It doesn't hurt to take it too soon, but taking it too late is bad news.


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 Post subject: Re: Begin again
PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 12:36 am 
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So, why do you not take the Nal?

Are you still lookng for a buzz? I'm hoping I'll be cured of that, which is why I ask. :-)

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Pre-TSM Units (approx): 33

Week 21: 5, 6 AF (in 1/14) (currently off NAL and up to 24-40/weekly)
Week 17-20 Avg: 14, 4.75 AF
Weeks 13-16 Avg: 3, 6.25 AF
Weeks 9-12 Avg: 8, 4.75 AF
Weeks 5-8 Avg: 10, 5 AF
Weeks 1 - 4 Avg: 17, 3 AF


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 Post subject: Re: Begin again
PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 7:05 am 
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oh its wonderfull it is to come and find lots of post.

Why do I not take the nal- a myriad of reasons. One of the big ones being that Im from Ireland and have to go through loops and roundabouts to get my nal so when I do have it Im watching it dwindle and it sets off a panic button feeling , i start to work out how long they will last me and I send myself into a spin.so from there I start splitting them in two if I think Im only going to have 1 or 2 or at the weekend I would just take one on Friday evening but drink the three nights on just that one tab. Seeing this in writing- it looks and is mad. Unfortunatly the online pharmacys wont deliver to Ireland as all packages from India are stopped and searched by the Irish Medical Board and I dont have family or friends in the UK.

But there is hope in the horizon, apparently the drug Selicro has been approved for use in the UK and we are normally just a few months behind the UK as far as drugs are concerned. It would be such a relief for me to know that I had a regular supply.

I have 30 tabs right now and will attempt again to order from one of the online companies or find some way of getting an order,hopefully y the time they are gone I will be able to go to my doc and have Selicro perscribed. This is actually my biggest problem as regards taking the nal.


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 Post subject: Re: Begin again
PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 8:24 am 
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Hi Trisha,

Whether you've tried before or not it's good that you're here and you will have learnt from past mistakes.

I'm in the UK and while I haven't had any problems with my online orders (I've only done one so far) my supply is also getting low, so I can understand your concern about running out. I dont know whether this will help you or not but when I was researching this method and how to get hold of Nal I came across a place called sinclair method scotland (you can google them). I haven't used them myself and can't vouch for them as I have no idea as to whether they are any good but it does seem as though its a telephone based service. Pehapes they might be able to supply you in Ireland?

I've copied this from their website "At SinclairMethodScotland we offer the ability to try Naltrexone in tablet form, for yourself, in your own home. We combine a home test liver function kit, and a supply of Naltrexone tablets - with some online and telephone counselling.
Our doctors are extremely experienced in the field, and everything you tell us is 100% confidential."

I just want to stress again...I havent contacted them or used them...it could be a scam but it could also be genuine and could help you out of a hole. If you do speak to them, would you please let me know how it goes.

Wishing you all the best.

Ruth.

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Pre-TSM average of 60 UK units per week
(Approx.34 US units)

1-6 : 37,45,46,39,23,43
7-12: 30,? ?,24,27,25
13-18:21,19,23,17,21,4
19-24: 24,19,25,26,32,
25-32: ??,11,10,9,12,11,9
33-37: not tracked
38-40: 11,9,9
Reached safe limits so no more counting


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 Post subject: Re: Begin again
PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 10:03 am 
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Hi Ruth,
Thanks for popping in. I hadnt heard of the Scotland people

Actually I got good news today. I work in a news room and we had an item about modern medicine and brought in a doc to speak on the subject. I sent up an anonymous question asking him if there was a new drug on the horizon to help alcoholism and if so were we likely to see it in Ireland.

He was very enthusiastic about it and said that it was a complete vere away from looking at abstenance as the only way to treat alcoholism. The aim instead was to reduce the quantity in any given drinking session and thus reduce the number of heavy drinking days. The science behind the drug was sound and it showed a lot of promise for doing exactly what it said on the tin. Its currently available in the UK on script and he is hopefull we will see it in Ireland in the Autumn. So basically I just need to access one more order online in some shape or fashion and I should be able to go legit after that. I think this is something we all here wanted to see happen. I could be mistaken but I think I read somewhere that the US are usually a year or so behind Europe in passing new drugs for use.

Week 1- 6,0

Im so relieved- now just to get that last order


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 Post subject: Re: Begin again
PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 3:44 am 
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Trisha,
That sounds very promising. At last, word is getting out and changes are afoot.
Good luck with your next order.
Ruth.

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Pre-TSM average of 60 UK units per week
(Approx.34 US units)

1-6 : 37,45,46,39,23,43
7-12: 30,? ?,24,27,25
13-18:21,19,23,17,21,4
19-24: 24,19,25,26,32,
25-32: ??,11,10,9,12,11,9
33-37: not tracked
38-40: 11,9,9
Reached safe limits so no more counting


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