Hey man, you are right in the beginning, so try not to despair too terribly. Good on you for not taking the car. Can you manage af days to dry out and get your head clear before trying again? Don't do this if you think it would be dangerous in terms of withdrawal, obviously.

Good advice man, thanks for the support, it's means a lot. AF today. All the best to everyone in the forums and anyone struggling with this bastardly thing.

How you holding up? I get the same kind of anxiety after a binge that you are describing here. In some ways it's worse after two days AF, but then on that magical third day my mind returns and I can think a little clearer. Fourth day the ringing slows down and by the fifth day, I have all but forgotten what it's like to be hung over - so I binge again, lol.

Hey buddy. Thanks so much for taking the time to care here. What you say fits me 100%. So, let's count the days, AF from when was it, 5 days, ago, but I did drink today. On the good side, and I probably should be happier for it than I am, yeah, come to think about it I am sorta happy (a tired, depressed, kinda happy), not for the close to 15 or so units, today, but because I had a beer and a couple of glasses of wine, and ended up in a bar with working girls, and got to said units, yet I 've not had a drink for the past couple of hours, and didn't have a drink for the last hour in the bar, and that's something, I guess. The fact that naltrexon and about 30mg of baclofen, aided by whatever psychospiritualbehaviouralmental combination made me put down the last drink and go to bed at around 5 am, as opposed to 6, 7 or 13.00.

It's kinda cool when you can say, why not make this my last drink, cause I choose to.


All the best to everyone, and to you to generic.

Good job Joe, putting down and stopping. I had 18 Friday night with no food and in a short time frame, which I pretty much rule as a total failure. Strangely, I'm going to call 19 on Saturday a small failure, but also a small success. The 19 beers was over 8 hours and I ate a ton of food, and did not feel anywhere near as drunk as I did after the 18 Friday. Then I mustered up an AF day Sunday.

I look forward to the day that I can get multiple AF days like you and Generic.

And sometime your gonna need to tell us guys some stories about these bars with the working girls.

Again, good job stopping at 15 and the AF days before that.

Talk to you soon,

Christopher

Joe,

You mentioned Baclofen on another post. So you take both together, or just baclofen occasionally. How does that work for you? Just wondering if/why I would/should consider it.

Over the past few days I 've started taking baclofen daily too. My doc prescribed 30mg, but I am taking 10mg to 20mg, which is rather low, and occasionally 30mg. It's helping a lot with my anxiety too, and I am off benzos. Not that I was ever on too much benzos, but I am off for a couple of weeks now, as I was reading here dr. E's opinion of nal and benzos, how they hinder progress with tsm. You should definitely consider it man, it's over the counter, at least here in europe, but I don't see any reason why it shouldn't be so in the states too, and some people swear by it in terms of countering cravings for alcohol. Have a look at my way out forums. The guy who put two and two together and suggested it for alcholism is a french guy, and he got a medal of honor for that from the french government. It's no miracle pill, and the research data is much shakier than that on nal, or campral (which requires abstinence though), but neither is anything else. So give it a go.

Ok, just to fill you (and me) in on what's been going on, so when was it, this Sunday I binged, and now I am sitting here with a beer in front of me and I got a couple more in the fridge. For the first time since starting tsm I slipped and had a sip before taking the med. I should have had it in my car. Luckily enough (and I 've started noticing a lot of acts of grace, synchronistic or however else you call them in small things as this recently, but that's an aside) after one sip and whilst I was driving about thinking about a place to park to enjoy my beer, it slipped from the holder in my car and fell of and the bottle almost emptied itself. That gave me enough time to rethink it, and get back home (I was close anyway) and get my nal. So I am about 30 mins in as I am considering my next sip. That's something.

Tomorrow I am probably off for a few days on holiday, something like 3 days, but it's better than nothing, and I 'll be fighting off my self punishing and guilt ridden feelings and going on that trip to help my mind cool out a bit. It's been tough with the weekly binges lately, the subsequent anxiety and depression. All the best guys.

on the bad side my depression got the better of me and I didn't go away like I was planning, on the good side so far 3 days AF and 4 units on Thursday.

chalk another af day up.

Wow Joe,

Keep it up BRO.