Okay.

I had a lot of misgivings about posting this. I have been trying for a couple of weeks to decide whether or not to post and if so, how to do it . It is probably going to end up rated NC-17 and is going to open me up to a lot of disdain and disapproval. But I really do believe it is important or I would never write it.

I plan on posting this in a couple of forums, using the same identity. I think it is something that someone might need to read. But I didn't want to post it. Still don't. Because even tho we use user-names and it would be difficult to actually learn who we are, some of us are protective of our online personas. We want people to think that we are better than we really are. I want you to believe that I am a perfect person...well, except that I am a drunk. If not for alcohol, I might be mistaken for the Second Coming. I certainly don't want you to see the dark side.

There is a dark, perhaps darker, side. And it is this darker side that has proven to me that extinction works. I don't know what exactly it means, or whether or not it applies exactly and equally to my alcoholism, but I have been convinced that extinction as outlined in the Sinclair Method is real and available to me. And because extinction exists, I have hope for tomorrow. Some of you have no idea how huge hope is.

So:

I am not in a sexual relationship. Haven't been in one for a couple of years. For at least the last two years, all of my sex has been in the privacy of my own company. BUT, for that two years my sex life has been regular and frequent. At least once a week, often more, I would be so engaged.

My episodes almost always included streaming internet porn. It's everywhere and immediate, and I availed myself frequently. I love internet porn. There are a couple of sites where I would spend hours at a time. And every weekend I would find time to get online. And there were a couple of “triggers”, times that a short window of time would open up and it was automatic that I would indulge. Pretty much every time these windows opened, I responded.

There were also about an equal number of times that there was no audio/visual accompaniment. Usually during a morning shower. The urge would present itself, and I would act on it.

And so it was, and so it has been.

A couple of weeks ago I was surfing the web, researching naltrexone. Again. Have been lurking on this site for a long time, belong to a couple of forums that feature The Sinclair Method, but I still try to read as much about this method, and other treatments for alcoholism, as is available. I don't read all of the articles but do read the brief summaries.

NALTREXONE AND INTERNET PORN ADDICTION. Or something like that was the search result.

I really just skipped on past it because I was looking for drinking connections. But my mind started processing what I had read. And I was amazed.

Extinction works.

The extinction happened so gradually that I wasn't aware of it, but happen it did. I had discontinued an endorphin-driven activity and hadn't even noticed. It was simply no longer a part of my life.

Mid-November 2011 I was prescribed naltrexone and abstinence (from alcohol), and for the most part I followed that protocol for the next four months. Really tried to control my alcohol consumption as I took my Nal every day. I did not, however, try to control everything. Whenever the mood hit, I engaged in self-pleasure. Whenever.

It was only after reading the search summary that I realized it had been a month or so since I had last indulged. Hmmmm. And I thought about the last time. I can remember that it was the usual time of indulgence and that the result was sort of like having mopped a floor....yeah, it needed doing but it wasn't much fun.

And I could remember a week or so later thinking that it was again time for an episode...but it held no appeal for me. So I did not engage.

And had not thought about it since. At all.

You have no idea what a difference it was, and what a big deal it is.

Another addiction wasn't curbed...wasn't in decline...it was gone.

And it's not that I couldn't participate. I have contact with people that cause physical reaction, create desire, but it subsides and I move on. There is no physical deficiency, but there is no psychological/physiological compulsion.

There is no way for me to convince you how big this is or what a difference it makes. Or how important this is to my “hope” level. But it is what it is.

I believe that I am taking a drug that can and will remove physiological/subconscious compulsion, and that it is compulsion that keeps me addicted. If I can keep this battle in the realm of physical and mental I can beat it.

I accept that I have made a mess of this post, but I assure you that it is true and heartfelt.

Extinction exists. I am going to prove it. Again.

If I get what you are saying then you are no longer engaging or enjoying sex? Is
it really healthy to be considered another behavior problem. We all need sex so If
I read the book right the Dr. says to engage in other endorphin producing activities
when you are not medicated with Nal so you would still get pleasure out of it. Excersize
eatting sweets full into the same activites that produce our lovely dorf. I wouldn't want to
run without them! Literally


RR

RebeccaRyan i hope you are doing good. i just want to let you know that porn addiction is a unhealthy behaior and requires serious counsiling. so if bamba is strugling with sexual obsesions, or porn addiction or he is a sexaholic whatever the case be it is best that he learns how to do it in moderation like regular people. he is right that that tsm works witth porn as well(i think). i emailed dr. escapa a while ago and he said it is possible that tsm would work for porn addicts. it doesnt mean that he will hate sex. if he does tsm it means that if tsm works for porn addictionthen he can do it in moderation.he would have a choice. and the constint sexual thoughts will subside.

What BamaJohn is saying is that the Naltrexone "extinguished" his internet porn habit and other related things that resulted in...let's just say it, self-pleasure, or, masturbation. He is showing how it worked for that without his even thinking about it being applicable to that. As for having sex with others, he states, "I have contact with people that cause physical reaction, create desire, but it subsides and I move on. There is no physical deficiency, but there is no psychological/physiological compulsion." So, the compulsion--what for many people is irresistible---to have sex has been removed by the Nal. So, his sex drive no longer controls HIM. HE controls IT. His conclusion, then, based on what happened with his sex drive/compulsion, is that the extinction process WORKS, and if it works for THAT then his hope is that it will ultimately help with his alcohol addiction as well--and he wants to prove it, to show us that it does.

I hope that helps to clarify this brave man's Naltrexone journey and quest.

dabs you explained that verry well. i actualy asked dr. escapa if tsm would work for porn adicition, and he said it has never been put to the test.BUT it is possible that it would work. i as well as this gentlemen, is somewhat addictied to porn, i do spend about 7 hours a week watching porn.(maybey less). when i first started the tsm i had 2 honeymoons, my dinking went for 8 beers a night to 4.(and it took forever to drink those 4 beers) and my intrest in porn totaly went away. after the honeymoon, i was back to the races. i hope tsm helps with porn as it does with drinking.

BamaJohn read the email from dr. escapa

my email to dr. escapa

On 17 August 2012 04:52, <larrynajor@yahoo.com> wrote:

Dr. Escapa I'm sorry to bother you again. I have just one more question. I'm somewhat addicted to porn. When I started the tsm I had no urge to watch porn at all for about a month. Then when the honeymoon was over. I started watching again. But not as much. Do you think the porn will fade away as well As the drinking I thank you for your time in responding to my email I owe you dinner. One more thing I would love to promote your book. If you want me to help you let me know i can set up a website for your book and the program.God bless you and your family.
Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®



his reply back


Never been put to the test... that I know of. Perhaps preliminary studies .. Dr Sinclair thinks it should work here.


If porn is a destructive addiction mediated through the opioid system then it could be treated vi aTSM. Meanwhile get your priorities in order... alcohol is way more dangerous to yourself and others (if say you were to drive intoxicated, get alcohol poisoning, liver disease).


I would suggest it is possible to reduce porn addiction while on addiction - in theory - but deal with the alcohol addiction, focus on it first.



hey babma if this work, we just killed two birds with one stone. good bye to booze and porn. then i will work on quiting my 2 pack of cigs a day.(i need a pill for that as well)

I love the title of this message as I really hope it will work for me. My question is this if Nal can
change different areas like porn, gambling even eatting sugar perhaps it should be taken everyday. I know I eat much more sugar when i don't drink. I think the Nal will work for the
alcohol so if I don't want to start eatting sugar in its place perhap I should dose daily?

Nal-On
RR

RebeccaRyan good question. first i want to say that dr. sinclair was doing studies on over eating ussing naltrexone. not sure how far those studies went. rebeca here is my story. i watched porn for 1 to two hours a day for the last ten years. if no one was home porpbley 3 hours. now i started may 28 on tsm and the first 10 days i had two honymoons porn vanished and drinking got cut in half. here is the ansewr to your question i think. i would take naltrexon every night at 10 and start drinking around 11:30. the next day say about noon or if i did not get the chance to watch porn at that time i would do it at say 6 pm. after 2 month of doing tsm my porn obsesion went COMPLETLY away. im starting month 5 with tsm and i have not watched porn for 3 month. no urge no craving no obsesion AT ALL. nal has a half live so half of its effect must of been working for me to eliminate the porn.plus after i drink i smoke weed. and rebeca if you laid out 10 pounds of candy i would eat ALL that candy and that went away as well. dont get me wrong i still eat alot at night after i drink and smoke my weed but now im eating more carb stuff. if i was you eat cand every day you take nal not alot and se what happens. the first two month doing tsm i still was watching porn and taking nal,so EXTINCTION WORKS plus i belivee GOD helped me.