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 Post subject: Re: TakKat's progress
PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 9:02 am 
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Great news about week 5. Your situation and reasons for quitting sound very familiar. I want to control this beast rather than it controlling me. And the role modeling for kids -- as well as being a good spouse -- are a big part of my motivation. My numbers are also on the middling side compared to some but they're too big for me to be happy.

Keep it up!

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 Post subject: Re: TakKat's progress
PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 11:29 am 
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Awesome progress tak_kat!
Keep your eye on the prize and you'll get there!

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TSM 6 wk totals
1-6 -- 256/1AF avg 42.6 /wk
7-12 - 229/3AF avg 38.1/wk
13-18 - 192/5AF avg 32.1/wk
19-24 - 175/2AF avg 29.3/wk
25-30 - 154/10AF avg 25.6/wk
31-36 - 30/37AF avg 5/wk!


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 Post subject: Re: TakKat's progress
PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 2:09 pm 
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Nice work TK! I'm glad to see you are responding so well to nal. Not EVERYONE has an extinction burst - some people just trend down from the beginning. Certainly don't force yourself into an extinction burst ;)

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 Post subject: Re: TakKat's progress
PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 8:09 pm 
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Thanks for the support guys! :-)

Here's something interesting to think about (stick with me, this is good)...

I'm spending way less time thinking about alcohol now, but I do think about TSM alot. And I think about Naltrexone alot. And I've been interested in researching what to do on my day-after-Nal days - when my body should be busy making endorphins. What are some ways to take advantage of up-regulation to reinforce not drinking anymore?

So I Googled endorphins and took a look at the WikiPedia endorphin page. It had some good general info about endorphins, but what caught my attention was a link at the bottom of the article: A genetic influence on alcohol addiction found - lack of endorphin.

Among other things, this article says:
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[Researchers] have shown that the lack of endorphin is hereditary, and thus that there is a genetic predisposition to become addicted to alcohol... According to José Rico Irles , professor of Medicine of the UGR, and head of the research group, this low beta-endorphin level determines whether someone may become an alcoholic. When a subjects' brain with low beta-endorphin levels gets used to the presence of an exogenous surplus, then, when its own production stops, a dependence starts on the external source: alcohol.

All this is right in line with TSM, no? Basically, some people are born producing fewer endorphins than is needed to maintain a sense of well-being. These people, if they find alcohol, are predisposed to become alcoholics because drinking releases endorphins that provide the person with the sense of well-being that they otherwise lack. This describes me to a "T" and also explains why, when on Naltrexone and TSM, I find it easy to "forget" about drinking.

Well, the part about having low endorphins sent my wheels spinning. If I really have come to abuse alcohol because of the endorphin rush, TSM may "cure" me of drinking, but doesn't that mean I still will suffer from low endorphins? What then? Is there any way to boost my ability to create endorphins so they aren't low in the first place?

Here's where it gets really interesting! I looked up exercise, meditation, hypnosis, binaural beats. All those things will help. But the one thing I didn't expect to find, was - da-da - Low-Dose Naltrexone (LDN)! LDN is a very small dose of Nal - 4.5mg - that is used to treat a variety of things - AIDS, MS, Cancer, and lots more.

Then I found this - Low-dose naltrexone for disease prevention and quality of life. It says:
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There are solid reasons to believe LDN can also promote positive emotional states through the endogenous opioid amplification of positive affect and energy[52]. From a psychiatric perspective, the facilitation of endogenous opioids should alleviate depression since, to some degree, that multifaceted problem reflects reduced ability to experience pleasure. Evidence also exists for resilience against cardiovascular stress [54,55] and for specific enhancement of the reward system for exercise [56], palatable tastes [57,58], laughter [59,60], sex [61], social bonding [4,62]

So basically, you take 4.5mg of Nal every night before you go to bed, and when you wake up in the morning (4.5mg burns off in 6 hrs), you get a little endorphin boost! So not only can Naltrexone help us quit drinking, it may in fact help us stay off alcohol by bosting our endorphin levels - the low-level of which was a primary reason for us to drink in the first place!

WOW!

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☑ Week 01: 24.0/2AF
☑ Week 02: 19.5/1AF
☑ Week 03: 12.0/4AF
☑ Week 04: 18.5/3AF
☑ Week 05: 10.0/4AF
☑ Week 06: 02.5/6AF
☑ Week 07: 00.0/7AF
☑ Week 08: 00.0/7AF
☑ Week 09: 00.0/7AF
☑ Week 10: 00.0/7AF


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 Post subject: Re: TakKat's progress
PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 8:24 pm 
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Thanks, Kat! I am going to do some research!!! That's in line with what we have accepted as true regarding TSM. And really interesting.

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 Post subject: Re: TakKat's progress
PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 9:00 pm 
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That's really interesting TK. I have heard of low dose naltrexone before, but as you mentioned, in connection with other diseases like MS. I had no idea it could be good for the soul ;) I find that interesting because honestly I don't really feel very good/happy on nal....though within a good night of sleep I am back to normal. I actually feel like nal makes my mood crap out a bit, and sometimes increases my social anxiety (which is strange, because I actually don't really have social anxiety otherwise, barring the odd occasion that is overly crammed with people).

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 Post subject: Re: TakKat's progress
PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 12:22 pm 
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Interesting post tak_kat. I have read a lot about LDN helping with various ailments, but never considered that it might help alcoholics by giving us a daily endorphin boost. You might be on to something there, good thinking!

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TSM 6 wk totals
1-6 -- 256/1AF avg 42.6 /wk
7-12 - 229/3AF avg 38.1/wk
13-18 - 192/5AF avg 32.1/wk
19-24 - 175/2AF avg 29.3/wk
25-30 - 154/10AF avg 25.6/wk
31-36 - 30/37AF avg 5/wk!


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 Post subject: Re: TakKat's progress
PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 1:08 pm 
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This is fantastic! Thank you for sharing!

But what about dopamine?

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 Post subject: Re: TakKat's progress
PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 8:58 pm 
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Week 6 recap - 6 AF days and only 2.5 units. At this point, I'm not sure what else to say except that TSM is completely working. I'm interested to see how the next month or so goes. I'm in no hurry to call myself cured. Slow and steady is just fine.

Plus, I did actually want to drink tonight, but I didn't. It didn't take alot of effort not to. And the fact that I knew I easily could helped. I wonder if I had taken Nal and started, how much I would have had. I'm pretty sure I'll have more night of drinking 5 drinks or so. But last time I was just fine with half that.

@EL - I have social anxiety too. I take Propranolol for that, which works wonders. I pop 2 of those before giving a speech or going to a social event, and I am able to stay cool & calm. If you haven't checked that out, I wonder if it might help you too. I can take both that and Nal, btw.

Last, I am going to ask my psych about the Low-Dose Naltrexone thing I mentioned in a previous post. Maybe I'll even give it a shot seeing as I am having more AF days now. If I do, I will let you all know how it goes.

Again, thanks for all the support.

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☑ Week 01: 24.0/2AF
☑ Week 02: 19.5/1AF
☑ Week 03: 12.0/4AF
☑ Week 04: 18.5/3AF
☑ Week 05: 10.0/4AF
☑ Week 06: 02.5/6AF
☑ Week 07: 00.0/7AF
☑ Week 08: 00.0/7AF
☑ Week 09: 00.0/7AF
☑ Week 10: 00.0/7AF


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 Post subject: Re: TakKat's progress
PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 8:39 am 
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Really great results, TK. I'll be curious to hear what you learn about low-dose. Congrats on your success with TSM!

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