Now that's funny!

Bob

I've never heard of an overt AA commercial before either, but I'd love to make some AA "commercials" of my own! That would be a great fun way to vent!

None of the friends I ever made in AA would stay in contact with me after I left. It's cool that you made some friendships there that actually lasted, even if at a distance.

I really hope TSM works for your former sponsor too!!! I still sort of feel like I'm dreaming because of how well it's been working for me so far. My life has already gotten so much better...

Hi all..Wow!!Great topic Shelly64 and great discussion..Bob,I have read some of your old posts so I know you are familiar with the orange papers..I think that he pretty much covers everything that is wrong with AA..He doesn't have a forum but he does answer emails and posts them on his website..He is also firmly against censorship..I guess what I am saying is,he has a lot of readers and if he was made aware of the scientific studies that say tsm works,I believe he would be useful in getting the word out..I have already emailed him about my progress but unfortunately,I am no good with a computer.I don't even know how to send a link..Anyways,his email adress is orange@orange-papers.org..Like I said,he doesn't answer direct,he posts them on his site along with his response..Oh well,again,geat discussion.

This topic is very interesting yet a sensitive subject to me. My background is I come from a family of "recovering" alcoholics that have used AA to get them to a good place in their lives. My problem is that I have had a problem embracing the same path to recovery. I have done a lot of research on the topic of alcoholism and was so intrigued with the Sinclair method that I had to learn more about it. I feel like there has been a tremendous weight lifted off my shoulders after finding this and I am excited to live a different life with TSM as part of my life. My brothers have been doing well with AA for many years. It has been a little difficult to share with them recently that I felt that I had a problem, also, with alcohol but didn't feel that AA was the path I could not go down right now. I respect that it works for them but I wasn't willing to give up my whole life to follow the 12 steps. I told my brother that I was doing the TSM and I could hear some skepticism in his voice when he told me "I hope it works for you". All along I think he was thinking I was in total denial with my alcoholism. The thing is, I am very aware of my alcoholism and maybe I want my cake and eat it too, but I am willing to try to see if Naltrexone works for me before I throw in the towel. There is not one way to deal with this and I am very encouraged that I can conquer this with Naltrexone. I can't imagine not! Anyone else here experienced the skepticism?

This topic is very interesting yet a sensitive subject to me. My background is I come from a family of "recovering" alcoholics that have used AA to get them to a good place in their lives. My problem is that I have had a problem embracing the same path to recovery. I have done a lot of research on the topic of alcoholism and was so intrigued with the Sinclair method that I had to learn more about it. I feel like there has been a tremendous weight lifted off my shoulders after finding this and I am excited to live a different life with TSM as part of my life. My brothers have been doing well with AA for many years. It has been a little difficult to share with them recently that I felt that I had a problem, also, with alcohol but didn't feel that AA was the path I could not go down right now. I respect that it works for them but I wasn't willing to give up my whole life to follow the 12 steps. I told my brother that I was doing the TSM and I could hear some skepticism in his voice when he told me "I hope it works for you". All along I think he was thinking I was in total denial with my alcoholism. The thing is, I am very aware of my alcoholism and maybe I want my cake and eat it too, but I am willing to try to see if Naltrexone works for me before I throw in the towel. There is not one way to deal with this and I am very encouraged that I can conquer this with Naltrexone. I can't imagine not! Anyone else here experienced the skepticism?

It's safe to say that every person here has dealt with huge amounts of skepticism regarding TSM. It starts with the medical community -- most whom know nothing about TSM -- and goes from there. For hundreds of years, telling an alcoholic to drink was basically a death sentence. It will take decades for this method to catch on because it requires a global change of thought. But it will happen and we are the pioneers. TSM works and AA is an unadulterated failure as more people recover on their own than in AA.

I also have the "love/hate" relationship with AA, but you know? I do think about attending a meeting, not to spread out the word about TSM (God help me from doing it in an AA room!) but for pure curiosity. Yes, I wonder how it would feel to be there now, when I have finally found my own route to freedom, without all the suffering inherent to the 12 steps program.
I dunno, it might be a kind of selfish attitude, but I guess it's not the case. I simply KNOW they will never consider treatment with a medicine.

And there's something else. I'm positive that many ones who stick to AA don't have ignorance itself as a limitation. Their real limitation is the WILLING for ignorance. Yeah, sounds confuse, I admit. But I'm pretty sure about that. Many ones simply DON'T WANT TO KNOW. Anyways... I might go to a meeting some day.

Some pretty strong feelings about AA here. Good discussion and thanks for ranting and saying what's on your mind. The group would call this honesty, I believe that to be true. Funny thing is when your honesty doesn't match anyone's in the group you're alienated.

I haven't heard from my so called best friends in the fellowship since I decided to pick up again and turned to another method to help me with this craziness. The longest I've put together in sobriety is 3years then 2.

I don't believe I'll ever go back, TSM IS WORKING FOR ME!!! No more shame and guilt, best of all I don't have to call myself an alcoholic!

Cheers
Zippy