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 Post subject: Firebird began April 4th
PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 12:19 am 
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I got my "stuff" a couple of days before that but didn't drink until Saturday, when we had band rehearsal. I hasn't quite been a week, but I know I'm not going to drink tonight because it's already almost 11 and 'm sleepy. Besides, by the time I took my Nal, went to the beer store, changed my mind and changed it back again, it would be after midnight - not really Friday anymore right? Woo-Hoo!

Anyway this week has gone well for me, I think. Drank a few nights, sober a few too. My first night I got plastered, out of control. The next time I decided to drink at home in a controlled environment, and just sort of see if I go nuts again. I didn't, which was cool since I can't wasn't sure the Nal was going to work for me if it made me drink like that. At first it made me feel really weird. I even had a couple of visual hallucinations, like tracers. I called my brother and asked him to keep an eye on me in case I started acting screwy. Unfortunately, he got totally hammered and couldn't keep an eye on anything, so I was on my own.

I'm charting my drinking, craving, and general health in an Excel spreadsheet so I can make cool multicolor charts. It's fun, and it makes me feel like I'm accomplishing something. In my signature I'm just reporting my drinks since craving and general health is such a subjective thing. I'm enthusiastic for next week.

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 Post subject: Re: Firebird began April 4th
PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 7:07 am 
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Good to hear you're headed down the path, Firebird. You can't expect to see anything in the way of progress this early. To my knowledge, nobody does. Interesting bit with the tracers. Never heard that one from naltrexone before.

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 Post subject: Re: Firebird began April 4th
PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 7:42 am 
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Good going FB. Please keep posted here, and read the experience of others. This is not a steady, gradual decline method, as a rule. It's more like skiing downhill, and hitting slaloms - occasionally you're going to hit a spot where you 'fly higher' than usual, but overall you're still descending the mountain. Sometimes the descent becomes almost imperceptible, so you need to keep the faith and keep on going!


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 Post subject: Re: Firebird began April 4th
PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 11:45 am 
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Firebird,

Hope you are doing well.

I want to say that the first night I took nal I felt really funky. My eyes didn't seem to "see" things right and I got really plastered. My SO wasn't sure that I was doing the right thing. I took the .25 the next night (2nd night) and my results were not the same. I was somewhat scared to increase to .50 as I didn't like the fatigue I was feeling.
However, when I increased to .50 I had NO side effects. I even felt better than when I drank without nal. Go figure. Since then, I have not had any negative events... just all positive and, though subtle, encouraging.

I have just finished week one. I am so excited.

Good luck!

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 Post subject: Re: Firebird began April 4th
PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 12:25 am 
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Week two went pretty well for me. I had a couple of too-many-too-many nights, but I didn't feel out of control like during the first week. I thought I had done pretty well last night because I hadn't finished the beer I bought for the walk home. Well, that's hammered logic for you-I couldn't finish it because I was already sloshed! Then I also thought I had done well when I went to record last night's episode on my drinking tracker, but then I remembered a shot I had not counted: add two drinks!

I think I just wanted to see progress. Fast. Oh well, I think honesty in tracking is more important than measurable progress at this point. I can't wait for next week. Good luck to everyone.

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 Post subject: Re: Firebird began April 4th
PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 6:35 am 
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Your post really hit home with me this morning.

At the time of this writing, I am very disappointed in myself for over-drinking last night, when I had actually planned on an AF day. But the craving hit me about 3PM, I took my Nal, and began drinking at precisely 4PM. By 9PM, I had consumed 6 beers and was thoroughly hammered, but still unhappy that I didn't even try not to drink so much.

What I must remember is the same advice I give others, we are in the very early stage of this treatment. It took us years to get here and it takes only 4 to 6 months to get out. However, I am impatient and I want it to work now.

But TSM doesn't work that way. We have to be patient and stick with the program and wait it out.

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 Post subject: Re: Firebird began April 4th
PostPosted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 7:56 pm 
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Wise words, bob - it takes time. I've had good results from the beginning BUT I am not fooling myself - I know it's still there. I still drink every night and given my vacation week last week, I know I've made progress but I'm not done.

Firebird - keep at it and yes honest tracking is important...and really hard to do after a lifetime of doing the opposite. Also look for any new positive changes beyond the # of units - even fleeting thoughts that were not there before (like today I considered volunteering to bake cookies for school tomorrow night -- silly to see that as a positive sign? Yes...but 7 weeks ago I would have groaned at the thought because I would be too hungover. The little signs may be there for you already, look for them to keep you going. If they are not there yet, they will be in a few more weeks - keep watching).

Hang in there and keep us posted!


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 Post subject: Re: Firebird began April 4th
PostPosted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 11:36 pm 
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I was just reading Q's progress report and was struck by the similarity between his (early) drinking pattern and my own. It really got me to thinking about triggers for drinking episodes, but I didn't want to go on about myself on his thread, so here goes on mine.

My GF doesn't drink (anymore) period, and she doesn't like it when I do. So I don't drink either when we are going to spend time together. It's really easy for me on those nights because I just consider it out of the question to drink. No real cravings. No alcohol driven thoughts; my addiction just seems to be replaced by other interests. But I am a 25+ year drinker, so on my "alone" nights I binge it up, sometimes pretty bad - like I'm trying to make up for lost time. When I was doing Rational Recovery I learned that my "beast" is perfectly willing to be patient as long as there is the promise of alcohol in the future.

So my pattern is AF for three or four nights a week and drunk three or four nights a week depending on how mad she is at me (she can always tell but never says anything). It has gone on this way for about three years, with the exception my attempts to quit using RR, MWO, ETC or when she's out of town.

At this point my trigger is really . . . opportunity. I don't even feel like drinking many times. This has become especially apparent now that I am tracking my drinking and cravings. I don't really even get cravings, per se. But there is no way my beast is going to let a drinking opportunity slip by. So on my alone nights I will stop by the beer store because I know I'm going to drink, even though I don't feel like it. And on those nights I sometimes put it off because I'm making dinner, or spending time with my son, and I end up drinking late, just to fit it in.

But drink I must, says the beast, and when I do I really enjoy it, hour after hour, because I can't make myself drink fast enough to get done at a reasonable time, and the next day I'm always tired, grumpy, and generally feel like a failure. But not so much now that I am doing TSM.

I do have real triggers: band rehearsal, a totally alone night (no GF, no son because of joint custody), or if I feel really pissed off for some reason. But for the most part my drinking is situational. Sometimes I purposefully go AF on an alone night. It makes me feel so good when I can do it without outside influence, "just for me!". But these times are rare, especially since I've been doing TSM.

On those drinking nights, my behavior is pretty predictable: on a weeknight I will bury myself in a bottle of wine (+ a couple of beers) and the computer, like Q says. I used to say I was "working on music" or "writing" or "doing some research" (like the effects of a bottle of wine and a couple of beers on the psyche while working on the the computer), but now I know I'm just drinking while I can.

On weekends I usually have rehearsal at least one night per weekend, and it's pretty predictable that there will be sauce involved. All five band members have some kind of alcohol issue, and the night usually ends up at the bar so we can just "wind down". These nights tend to be a disaster of varying proportions, and they tend to happen once a week.

I guess what I have learned from this is that the language of "triggers, craving and drinking behavior" doesn't fit everyone precisely the same way, but the underlying process of addiction is the same. There are many ways this diabolical drama can play out, and hearing the stories of others can really help with the feeling that I'm somehow different; that the Sinclair Method may not work for me. I know it will work if I just stick to the program, but It's helpful to keep in mind that everyone's story is unique, but there is a common thread: our diversity is our commonality.

With that in mind, let me wish everyone the best in the quest to find a solution to the problem that has obviously plagued all of us: addiction to alcohol. (sorry about the "late night" post but tonight's an alone night ;)

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 Post subject: Re: Firebird began April 4th
PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 9:40 am 
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Firebird,

I can COMPLETELY relate to your drinking pattern. After I tried to stay sober for my family, I got used to not drinking on weekends - my husband didn't drink then either, as he was trying hard to support me. After a while, it wasn't hard at all to not drink then. That's REALLY strange considering weekends were my "acceptable" times to party for all those years.

So...I had to sneak drinking, and took EVERY opportunity to do so. I felt I couldn't let a chance slip by. I'm starting to get better at ignoring that, especially in the mornings. However, I lost my wallet this weekend, and have to start cancelling all my cards, etc. So today, I'm going to have a couple drinks, know I can get away with a little before my kids come home from school and my husband from work. Stupid, I know - but I'm SO pissed, and this happened to me a couple years ago too! What kind of loser am I? (Not really that bad, but I can't help beating myself up a bit) :cry:

Anyhow, it's amazing how that desperation to "drink while I have the chance" kicks in, and becomes so powerful. Because of TSM (and my husband knows I'm doing it now), I know I'll have to chance to drink again at some point, so that trigger is starting to lose its hold on me. My goal now is to only drink in the evenings, and try for one AF per week. I managed the last couple weeks, but this time I might not make it. The point is to keep trying - overall, I am making progress, and I know you will too. :D


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 Post subject: Re: Firebird began April 4th
PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 5:57 pm 
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Firebird, My drinking pattern is extremely close to yours and I have been doing tsm for well over 6 months. You just take the pill an hour before you drink. It is addressed in a section of the book about the Sinclair method. You don't have to be a daily drinker to benefit from the method. I have benefitted for a while now. I often go 5 days without drinking. Also am a musician part time. :)


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