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 Post subject: Nothing has changed
PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 10:59 pm 
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I have transformed my body and mind. I knew I could and did. All of you are witnesses. Still, nothing has changed.

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I've picked a date. It's not until mid next year. I don't know if I can hold out that long. I am ready to die. I am so ready, I can't go 3 hours without having a complete and total emotional breakdown. I can't even remember the last night I didn't cry myself to sleep.

I'm having flashbacks of events in my childhood that I haven't remembered in 25 years. I'm having eerie head rushes where it feels like doom is impending or right around the corner. They are so powerful I think they might be petite mal seizures. I don't know why i am crying out for help because I think i really do just want to go.

I just got back in touch with an ex-girlfriend of mine. We've only spoken once in the last ten years and that was at my best friends funeral, he died of a heroin overdose. I don't know to this day whether or not it was suicide. She left me very quickly one night and went straight into rehab. She's been sober for ten years and is married with a kid. She's the only 12 stepper to date that I've been able to convince that TSM is real.

She sent me a very nice email yesterday:

"Evan,

Not sure how often you check your email, but I really didn't get to tell you everything I wanted to, but unfortunately I am at work, so the best form of communication I have is via email. Anyway, first of all I want you to know that you sharing your heart with me so candidly means a great deal to me. Though I have to say that I feel a little selfish telling you that, you're sharing with me your pain, and I want you to know that I may be grateful for your sharing, but I am in no way grateful that you are in so much pain (I hope that made sense). I feel your pain, and if I could take it away, I would. Then again, maybe I wouldn't, my biggest blessings/lessons in life have come from my most painful times (and trust me, I've had my fair share in the last 10 years).

When I said that you were an amazing person, I really meant it. I have a huge list of people that inspire and "move" me, and although we haven't talked in years, you have always ranked very high on that list. And although this may not hold much weight, I don't want to see you "go". I can't talk you out of anything, especially if you have already figured this out "logically". But you were there for me at one of the most darkest times in my life, and now it's my turn to be there for you. So please know, that if there is anything you need, please don't hesitate to ask. Jesse (did I spell it right?) sounds like a wonderful person, and I really hope that it works out for you two. From what I've gathered so far, you two share the kind of love that is VERY hard to come by.

Please call/text/email/FB me and let me how it goes. And please don't hesitate to call. If you don't hear back right away, it's probably because my family needs me (I'm what you might call the "glue":).

One other thing, and I don't want this to sound strange or be awkward, but to just be sincere...I want you to know that I love you. We all need to hear it from time to time, I think you may need an extra dose right now.

D"

I've written Jess a 20 page letter and she's coming to visit me today and I'm going to read it to her. I also made her a gift. It's a peace sign that is plasma cut out of a piece of sheet metal. I brazed bronze on to the edges of it with an oxyacetylene torch, it looks like gold and fire in the sunlight. I treated it with a propane torch, when the metal cools it leaves a rainbow like color effect on the steel. Then I cut and put mirrors into the negative space left by the cut outs. Here's a picture of it:
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The rainbow effect doesn't show up well in the photo but you get the gist.

Here's an excerpt of the letter:
"After the last time I saw you I went to go see my counselor James. I told him everything as I always do. I told him that I did not want to live without you and was trying to decide what to do about it. I told him everything that I told you that day. I told him that I thought that ending my own life seems to me to be the only logical solution and the only real way out of this.
He said: “Yeah, that is completely understandable. I’ve been doing this for over twenty years and I’ve seen hundreds of couples. It is very rare that I see examples of true selfless love like this. I just don’t see it that often, not like this. You really do love her.
“Wow…wow. This is the most…tragic case of irony I have ever seen. You knew you were going to die of alcoholism and she had to leave you because of that. You lost the love of your life and were waiting to die. Then one month later you discover there is a cure for your disease, a disease that is as 10,000 years old and realize you are going to live. But because you found the cure one month, one month too late you lost her. You are going to be cured, get healthy and yet…still die from the disease that you don’t even have any more. Whoa…you must feel… … [at a loss for words, shaking his head]
Me: ”Yeah. That’s how I feel.”
After that I went back to the church to talk with some guy that this lady set me up with. She said he was “real” and would listen to me and wouldn’t get all churchy on me. Well he listened to me for about twenty minutes and then said he knew what I was going through and had been through all that. He said when he lost who he thought was the love of his life he was in pain for ten years. Then he found god and said that he realized that god was the love of his life and only then did he find peace. Then he wouldn’t stfu about god and jesus for like an hour before I could finally get away.

I’ve found god, I’ve found my higher power. I found it in the spirit of a girl named Jessica. You are my goddess, my priestess, my best friend, my lover, my universe and my everything. You are the kindest most benevolent most gentle and most beautiful soul I have ever seen. Some Christians say that hell is not an actual fiery place like Dante’s Inferno that instead it’s when you are separated from god’s love. I know in my heart that I would rather go to hell then live without you. I know in my heart that I would rather go to hell then go through this.
Something has to change soon or this will be it for me. I don’t want to be here anymore.

On March 10th you said: “I never believed in marriage or soul mates before I met the love of my life Evan.” On June 10th you said to me: “Soul mates don’t do this to each other Evan.” Now you know that I didn’t.
I always believed in soul mates. Ever since I first found you every time I drive down that hill into downtown Jackson and look across that valley I lose my breath for a moment and think: “there she was this entire time, my whole life I’ve been searching and she was right there, in the shadows of Butte Mountain.
I know that you can love me. I know in my heart that you are the love of my life. I understand you getting bitter and disillusioned at what my disease put us through. I’m lucky that you were so caring as to ease my pain as long as you did. Now you know that I didn’t choose alcohol over you. When my world ended on June 10th you told me that you didn’t think you could ever love me again. I refuse to believe that. The moment I do believe it will be the moment I decide to die. If you know that this is true then please just f***ing tell me and make me believe it too so I can end this pain."

Wish me luck.... -E

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 Post subject: Re: Nothing has changed
PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 11:14 pm 
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You there lena?

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 Post subject: Re: Nothing has changed
PostPosted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 5:17 am 
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Evan - I'll pm you later when I have time to write more. I was really hoping you were doing all this for you. You deserve happiness but you cannot will someone to feel a certain way no matter how much herculean effort you put into it. I hope you are getting some rest right now.


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 Post subject: Re: Nothing has changed
PostPosted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 7:41 am 
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Oh no, I did do all this for me. I haven't tried to bully anyone into anything. I haven't even talked to her more than very briefly since that day. I was just hoping that how I felt about everything would change. It hasn't. I knew it wouldn't but at the same time I knew I owed it to myself to try.

I was terminally ill. I'm not anymore. With my left hand I could make mince meat out of they guy I was a year ago.

Still, nothing has changed. Just trying to figure out what to do now, I've pretty much done everything.

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Graph Of My Units Over 182 Days

Weeks 0-26: 80, 65, 97, 90, 80, 101, 104, 83, 83, 88, 91, 83, 100, 39, 32, 71, 51, 34, 4.5, 0, 5, 3, 6, 11, 0, 0, 0u

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 Post subject: Re: Nothing has changed
PostPosted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 8:41 am 
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Man that's dark. Reminds me of myself. I know how you feel about her. My ex left me and I went to AA and stayed sober for 6 months while she "thought" about it. she left anyway. in an email after months of therapy and me being on near perfect behavior. I really walked the line for her, but sometimes it just shuts down in people and they can't get it back. I love her more than anything still a year and a half later.

and she told me "don't contact me anymore" when I told her I missed her a week ago. I have thought of killing myself a lot over the last year. Dark Dark stuff. I even sometimes feel cursed to have family and people who love me because it's because of them that I haven't done it already. So now I hate the bitch for treating me like that after all the work I put in for her and not even being a friend when we were best friends and lived together for 6 years and I worked so hard. It's easier to hate her and realize she's sick than to put her on a pedestal like I want to. Marriage/relationships take work. Some people have it in their character to do the work and some don't. Seems to me that you are willing and she isn't. YOU have the capacity to love long term and she doesn't unless everything works out exactly like she thinks it should (it never does without work)

Same as in my situation. I have to let go of the guilt and realize I'm doing everything I can. THIS WILL PASS! GODDAMIT I SWEAR IT! You have the potential to truly love, don't extinguish that fire. Someone else down the line will need that love from you someday. That's why you have it in you. To give it away. Hang on Loop. I am. but we both must MOVE ON! and we can. if we get this alcohohol demon out of the way there's no stopping us man. Someone else will come along. It's hard for me to believe that when people say it too. But I can remember being suicidally heart broken like 12 years ago and thinking it would never go away. Well it did. I met someone else. Now that person is gone but people are right when they say this too shall pass. as much as I don't want it to. I want to hold on to the pain because I'm afraid to let it go. it's as familiar to me as she is. but **** it. lets just live and be happy and refuse to let these things control us as we refuse to give up and let AL control us. LETS CHOOSE LIFE MAN

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 Post subject: Re: Nothing has changed
PostPosted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 5:27 pm 
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Lo0p,

I read this early this morning, but just could not think how to respond. Still can't. Please hang in there. You are a inspiration to us all - so intelligent and such a pioneer. Please don't do anything crazy - you have everything to live for.

Very Very Best,
-wort

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 Post subject: Re: Nothing has changed
PostPosted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 8:29 pm 
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Hey LoOP -
I know you are not about to jump off a cliff, but I understand your pain. It's like we have done everything we can to physically improve, but then you're driving down the road, a song comes on, you're in the shower at the end of the day and remembering happy times there :-) you are going thru your saved phone calls and hear that voice you should've erased ages ago...it's always something. Brings back that ache in your heart that hasn't gone away.

But what it boils down to is you haven't met her replacement yet. Neither have I. I am hoping it will happen, but so far not. I have dated every guy in my age category on match.com and nada...I can't give up hope that HE will magically appear in my life, and I hope you will not either. We love you, you are strong, and you have come so far. You're going through a down slump, and that's ok. Getting on here and talking about it is what we're all about.

It will be ok. Take comfort in the fact she IS thinking about you. You were part of her life too, and there are times she gets the same cues you do and remembers her love for you and no doubt feels sad about it all. In my flimsy little religious beliefs, I belive God has a plan for each of us. If it's meant to be it will be - but try not to dwell on her and keep your heart and life open to what may come.

It will be ok - XXXOOO

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 Post subject: Re: Nothing has changed
PostPosted: Fri Apr 09, 2010 11:52 am 
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Dear LoOp - we really do feel for you. The love of my life - who did NOT love me quite as much in return - was killed in a car accident about 15 years ago. Never a day goes by that I don't mourn him, even thought I am happily married to a great guy. This old soul mate of mine was having an affair with me, and a few others as well, and then he up and married someone else!! Not a very good character - yet I loved him then and I will always love him.

Can you envision that you may have to have this pain in your heart, and yet live a full life? It is possible. Many of us have hurts deep in our hearts yet we function happily in this world - we can love, we can get on with our lives. Doesn't mean the hurt goes away - but I guess what I'm trying to say is that no one on this earth has a truly happy life. Real life is not like the movies where everyone gets what they want and your soul mate loves you, and all is well. We simply must accept reality - to do otherwise is to miss out on a lot of happiness that is within your reach.

enough....we're all thinking about you and wishing we could help...


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 Post subject: Re: Nothing has changed
PostPosted: Fri Apr 09, 2010 10:35 pm 
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Well said, BGH -
Altho a little sad...what you say is true. We have an over-imagined view of LOVE...in reality it should be as magical as ever...but sometimes that magic is just fantasy. The person you think is your ultimate soulmate, often just does not live up to that. Sad but true.

Still, not to give up hope! Love can and will happen...just may not happen with the person you thought was THE ONE at one time. Believe. Kinda like Santa Claus & that magic of Christmas? You gotta believe it will happen & it will.

Hang in!
XO

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2/10 Dropped to 50mgs; units same
4/10 stopped NAL & started BAC thru River
6/10 up to 120 mgs BAC w/ MAJOR SEs
7/10 titrating off BAC
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 Post subject: Re: Nothing has changed
PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 12:38 am 
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I am confused
LoOp are you saying that now after you have had such great success with Bac you are now feeling suicidal?
I just can not get the story right.
If you are, I want to tell you I am feeling the same way. I have my "plan" but as it is, I am most likely unable to do it and hurt the people who love me. But I have no idea how to live till the day this passes.
I am reading all the fine words and thoughts the others wrote to you and taking it to my own heart as I so desparately need to hear the same message right now, right now.
So LoOp, you my dear, are not alone. Let's both get through this.
Bt one of the messages was about living with pain, I am so unable to face that reality even though right now that is what I am doing one day at a time.......one minute at a time.
Please be well, you are in my heart. ART

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