This could be a good thing or a bad thing, no one knows. I'm not going to stop taking Baclofen and I'm not going to stop exercising.

http://www.mywayout.org/community/f20/baclofen-exercise-39134.html

Read the whole thing, not just my original post. I found a study that lends credence to my observation. This is not a minor or small effect. Dishonest endurance athletes would kill for this kind of an edge.

It increased my capacity on the barbell squat (one of the most taxing resistance exercises there is) by 48%, while maintaining a significant calorie deficit. While in a calorie deficit you are lucky if you can even maintain your exercise capacity and extremely lucky if you can increase it by 5-10% or so over the course of a 12 week cut (diet).

Okay this is just getting too pronounced for me to not talk about...even though I'm sure none here are interested.

I just set a new record (for dieting) on deadlifts, which is another extremely taxing full body exercise. It's been an amazing week in the gym overall. I can't stress how significant it is that I am on a diet and should not be getting stronger.

I've searched fitness forums and the internet high and low for anything related to Baclofen and exercise and all I can find is that one study. I refuse to go to a fitness oriented website and start posting about it because it will start being abused for sure.

The difference it is making is dramatic!

Interesting Loop. My wife and I both do Olympic lifts as part of our Crossfit workouts. We are well aware of the modest incremental improvements that we normally see. Your report is astonishing.

*Very* interesting.... I do combat sports, endurance is everything. I did bodybuilding in college, I know how a set of 20 squats will push you to the brink of cardio, anaerobic strength, everything. 4 sets of 20 of course isn't the kind of thing you normally see big mass/strength gains from, the factor that is going to stop you is cardio, so if baclofen is a big cardio booster then this would make sense... I'm guessing the differences would be less pronounced on, say, your single rep max bench press.

I have some spine injuries (originally from squatting, as it turns out) for which I take tramadol and cyclobenzaprine, a different muscle relaxant, to help with sleep. Sounds like I should switch to baclofen for a variety of reasons...

Has it had a major impact on craving? How much are you taking? How does it interact with TSM? Does it make you tired?

-ned

You pretty much nailed on the head ned. I do the high reppers right now because I'm cutting so I'm going for the metabolic effect. I don't see any real difference in strength per se and no it doesn't seem to affect 1RM's at all (I think, I haven't actually tried any lately but I'm pretty sure).

-Cardio is WAY easier, others on MWO are coming forward and reporting the same thing.

-The big compounds (squats, deads) are where I see the biggest difference

-Recovery time between sets is super fast! And on all exercises too. I time it with my stopwatch. Before I'd push it to 1:30 so that I could recover and give my next set my best effort, now I hop back at it at 1:00 flat. Can't really describe it other than to say I just feel like I'm ready to go. A minute or two my fifth set of squats I feel like I could do another one. This is in stark contrast to before where after a couple of sets I'd be sitting on the floor trying to figure out how to make my stopwatch go slower!

-I don't get sore anymore!!!....!!!! I break a personal record with squats and two days later...NOTHING! Normally this would cripple me for days.

Baclofen has demolished my craving for alcohol. Take a look at my graph, the link is in my signature below. I don't know how much of that I can attribute to baclofen or TSM but it saved my life for sure. How it interacts with TSM is yet to be determined. We have conversations about this around here.

roxy: A friend of mine told me about crossfit...sounds like it hurts!

Your graphs are striking, both from the data they represent and the care with which the data was collected and presented (I'm not surprised you time your rests between sets with a stopwatch )

When did you start the baclofen? In what quantities? Just from your graphs, I might guess you started it around October 18th?

-n

Yes, LoOp. I never have read the graph of your intake and units of Bac. I really would be interested in seeing it. I do remember when you started to take it, and you shot off in a blast! Is there a place where you recorded it to share?

I dug around and found the point in loOp's progress thread where he starts with the baclofen. That's clearly the thing that turned the tables. Amazing to see the difference between now and then. I mean, huge, huge, huge difference.

viewtopic.php?f=9&t=625&start=70

Yeah that was it for sure. I've refrained from posting my baclofen dosages because they were irresponsible at best but I've already emailed them to a couple of people. I'll post them when I get a chance to today.

Yes Loop. I am amazed at your progress once you started taking BAC in conjunction with NAL. Very clearly documented in your graph. This is proof that a combination therapy may be beneficial to many. I was taking Bac for about 2 months around 100mg. I couldn't get past the extreme side effects and I had long distance driving on a frequent basis. I may try the combination therapy and keep the Bac at a lower dosage and follow the effect it will have.

Congrats on your success! I would say you are "The Poster Child" for the combo treatment!

BTW - This is my first post on TSM, but I am a frequent visitor on MWO. Hello to all on this board!