IF we are aligned with the principles (all of them) of the book then we should be THE CURE FOR ALCOHOLISM http://www.thesinclairmethod.net

IF we are heading to become something else - then we are something else.

All I know is I am taking NALTREXONE +1 HOUR + ALCOHOL= expected CURE. CURE=control or abstinence as I decide it.

That is what brought me here and why I am trusting the progression of this journey.

I always fall back on AA slogans even though I am not in AA; let's Keep It Simple Stupid! K.I.S.S.

I prefer "de-addiction" but could live with "cure", although I think it's less accurate.

FYI, the moderators do not have the capability of changing the banner -- only N101CS can do that.

Thanks Nick, I'll email N101CS about uploading a new banner. Reading over all the comments it seems that we want this as subtle as possible, so putting de-addiction, alcoholism or any thing else like that on the banner just screams why were here and we may not want those looking over our shoulder to know why we're here.
I was going to put the whole name on this time "the sinclair method.com" and what about the words "the journey" instead of the "cure"? It seems that's what we are on the journey. That word certainly has been used enough times on this board.

Ok what do you think?

corkit

I am not that concerned about the banner but I do think it is important that we continue to use the term "Cure". Most of the early members got here via Eskapa's book which broadcast's the term "Cure" in bold. The fact that it may "turn people off" is minimal. That is agitates is a positive.

Our method is a clear departure from all others and especially AA. AA inculcates its members that there is no "cure" and sees it as a 4 letter word. You don't break that mantra by running from it.

I am cured and have declared myself so since last June. I have nothing to apologize for.

Hi SR:

My problem with the word "cure" is that it simply does not apply to almost every person who has regularly contributed to this board. You, Bob and AJ would appear to be the three exceptions. Others who have declared themselves "cured" have run into triggers and have big binges. And if the definition of "cured" is drinking at "safe levels" of no more than ten to twelve drinks per week, almost none of us here are at that level after four to nine months into the program.

Despite the above, I am going on six months and am very happy with my results so far. My cravings are down and so is my consumption. But if triggered, I still will binge. And on any weekend night out on the town, I'll still toss down ten over a few hours and barely be buzzed. Under these facts, personally, I am skeptical of the term "cured." I expect my consumption and cravings to continue to decrease, but highly suspect I will have triggers out there for the rest of my life that could make me drink more than a "normal" person. Hence, my suspicion of the term "cure."

In addition, the three to four month estimate for "the cure" contained in the book is clearly wildly off the mark, based upon all of our experiences here. The fact that our drinking histories (amount and duration) are entirely ignored in the book and the studies also raises significant questions to me about the efficacy of the method. I firmly believe that there are different levels of addiction based upon drinking history, and that extinction will take longer for those who have longer and more serious drinking histories. This question has been posed to the doctors repeatedly, but has not been answered. I suspect it's because the studies have never addressed these questions.

I welcome your thoughts on these issues.

My best,

Nick

Hi corkit,

It is self-evident that we have by no means reached a consensus decision about the new banner. I think you (and we) would be wise to hold back a little longer before finalizing the new design.

All the best.

V.

I'm all for a new design asap to at least reflect the true website address, and not the one for that insurance company (or whatever TSM.net was).

The Cure can stand for now I think, till we reach agreement - the worst people looking over our shoulder might think is that we're devotees of a once-great goth band

I won't do anything until we can figure out which direction to go with this.

corkit

I am of the opinion we should change the banner.
I did go to TSM.net and it did not direct me to this site.
I have always emotionally taken "offense" at the "CURED" usage.

I am very supportive of this discourse, and I thank you corkit, for bringing it up., and for your artist help.

That's my vote....ART

With all due respect to SR, "de-addiction" is used in Dr.Eskapa's book a lot and the book is the basis for this website and forum. SR, AJ and I are cured, even though I often (but not always) don't care for that particular word. But to take SR's thoughts up for a moment, this website/forum is in stark contrast to AA/12-step dogma. They state that once an alcoholic, always an alcoholic. Their dogma is not true and we should not be ashamed of that fact as SR states.

Still, I feel that "de-addiction" is a more accurate representation of pharmaceutical extinction, than the word "cure" which has multiple definitions. But I'd like to see either or even both terms in the banner. For those of us that are cured, de-addicted, or even just under control, this is not a "journey". And for those who arrive at the site the first time and see the word "journey", their first thought is likely to be a journey to what; what is the destination? Well, the journey is to a cure, de-addiction, and control. Our banner should explicitly state what the destination is.

Bob