Well, N101CS, a lot of that has to do with your listing of the meta tags when you first registered the domain for the board. We shot up to the top and have stayed there. thanks for your vision.

Tom had a blog. This might be a private subject but why is he gone?? I have no idea..? I can't even email him.

Hello. I'm from soberrecovery. I'm using the same name here as I am there.


I find it funny that every time an alcoholic mentions how profit-driven pharmaceutical companies and the recovery industry are they always fail to mention alcohol companies. I suppose Anheuser-Busch doesn't care about making money.

You claim that many posters at SR have dogmatic views and you seem to be against that mentality, yet you make the effort to gain new converts to your program. Seems like many of you are engaged in proselytizing.


I drank to get completely sh!t bombed. Any attempts at moderation would be tortuous.

If you can moderate, that’s fine, but I cannot and will not.

I’m not sure you folks understand how many people who are close to death show up at SR’s doorstep. For many people this is their last chance.

Bamboozle , thanks for popping in because it's al ittle harder for us to do vice versa.
But that 'll work out .
I do agree with you and am sure that most on both "sides " do that drinking can be a lethal proposition , extremely serious for many people and to face that we do what we think best .
May I ask you though can you actually state your intentions for the future with alcohol ? Can you affirm that you will never drink again ? I know that's a hard question .
point is given what actually happens to so many people with relapse , would you not consider carrying a NAL tab with you just in case you ever did drink again ?
I don't necessarily propose full blown tsm but just simply that measure ?
Do you see any sense in that or what agument aganst ?

Hello, Elfern. I don't know if I'll ever drink again, but I don't intend to. I almost didn't make it out of my last relapse. If I drink while on my meds for depression the meds will not work. Being saddled with suicidal thoughts is not my cup of tea.


I cannot moderate. As I said, if others can do it that's fine, but it is impossible for me. I like getting messed up too much. A pill wouldn't stop me...I probably wouldn't even take the pill if I had it. When I was active in my drinking NOTHING could stop me from getting in my booze on a daily basis…I needed my buzz. Once I start I cannot stop. Shoot, I'm not even an AAer...but the mantra about the one drink and I'm gone thing is true for me.

I like my life the way it is now. I've never been this at peace with myself. I lived in misery before...now I don't have to. I use SR, therapy, meds and my wonderful brain to keep on top of this beast. I've replaced drinking time with things like photography and animation. I'm getting back into my art again. I cannot do these things if I drink. When I drink, alcohol is the most important thing.

I have no reason to hang onto booze. It's brought me more troubles than I've ever cared to have and I've been trying my best to pull myself up out of the craphole I dug for myself. I wasted a good six years of my life being wasted. I can’t get that back, but I can use the time I have now to get a better life.

That is exactly how I felt, but not anymore.

Bamboozle, in your post you said things are better without drink and what helps you maintain that , that's great and long may it last . You also said i(n paraphrase):
1. You can't moderate
2. You're not certain you won't ever drink again but intend not to
3. If you did you doubt you'd take the pill .

Forgive me for saying that the logical conclusion is that you might drink again ?
If that is so you would have the choice to take the pill , a pill you've never taken yet.
But what could stop could stop you from taking it is that you reckon you'd not get the buzz.....
Now this is one of the most astonishing things people have noticed here , me and others we're pretty certain that we drink for the buzz because , damn it , we know what we think and feel, right ? Well the buzz does remain it has a different quality but is satisfying . But tsm posits although the buzz we're conscious of, there are
chemical things that we don't feel which actually create a stronger need to drink than the buzz . We or I can take or leave it if we believe it, but then we find the buzz stays and progresively we drink more moderately and above all are happy with that , no effort, no conflict . It feels just what we want to do .
But there is full difference between embracing tsm and having NAl to protect in event of relapse . I never would persuade someone abstiinent to try tsm for chief reason it might not work for them , only works for 78 percent .(minimum)
All I 'm saying is that if you ever face relapse it is not only very wise to take NAl because it'll stop a disaster but the objection of a buzzless drink is not one to worry about . You'd buzz .
I hope you never relapse but consider the best protection going as a second best,
be prepared , carry NAl.

Here we go again?

Welcome Bamboozle: Yes, many here want to spread the good news about this method. They have more energy than I do to post at SR.

I'm not clear from your post what your message is to us. One important thing about TSM is that it is NOT for those who are comfortably abstinent. Sounds like abstinence is working for you. If you came here because you are curious about TSM, you've come to the right place. There is an abundance of information about TSM if you look at the board index. If you want to discuss or even debate, you've come to the right place! You'll find members happy to engage. We do ask that you read up on the method before you challenge us. I hope you read up and contribute to informed debate. We just went a few rounds with someone from SR who seemed to want to criticise or something rather than debate and discuss and it sort of went downhill.

Note: I edited this after reading Bob's post below because I realized mine was a bit rude.

Welcome Bamboozle.

We look forward to having a dialogue with SR members, since it is difficult to do so over there. Just so you know, my posts when I was over there were deleted for saying what you just said here. When I protested, I was permanently banned and my IP address blacklisted. You will not find that is the case here. Feel free to say whatever you want. There is no fear of being banned here for stating your viewpoint.

Enjoy and welcome again!

Bob

The only reason I'm posting here is because I read through some of the posts and it was asked that any SR lurkers join in the conversation here.


I cannot predict the future. I cannot say with 100% certainty that I will never drink again. Can anyone predict anything with 100% certainty?

I simply do not know if I will ever drink again. Do I intend to ever drink again? No.

I've read about the method. It wouldn't work for me.

I can only give out my personal experience concerning my personal hell.

I have no need or desire to drink again. I know what will happen if I do. I've run that experiment before many times.

I may very well be on meds for depression for the rest of my life. At this point I do not know. Being on meds for depression means I cannot drink or use any other substances or the meds will not be effective in keeping my depression in check. When my depression is in control I cannot function day to day. That's why I drank so much...but along the way I also picked up addiction to alcohol.

I suppose the only "message" I have to bring is that I hope folks here can understand that there are many people who want and enjoy abstinence. Moderating is dangerous for many folks who have a serious addiction to alcohol. Pancreatitis, liver failure, heart failure, wet brain, esophageal cancer, etc. are very real consequences for alcoholics.

I have exactly one life. I’ve already blown some of it away and I can’t hit the reset button. I will not give up the rest of what I have left to live for booze.