WTF? I visited soberrecovery.com, and made a post on a thread about TSM. Nothing obnoxious, but sharing my own experience and giving reasons why Naltrexone isn't more mainstream here. You guys know me. . .it was pretty good if I don't say so myself. Thought it would answer some questions that had been posed, and be an antidote to some knee-jerk, uninformed, negative comments that had been made. Of course I made note of the profit motive of pharmaceutical companies and the rehab industry.

Just went to check the thread, and the post has been deleted. Just like that! This makes no sense to me at all, except of course that the site is sponsored by a profit-making group called The Mulligan Group. Here's the blurb on their home page:

The Mulligan Group provides marketing, financial and compliance services to the addiction treatment industry.
Our industry- leading products and services include SoberRecovery®, the largest source of referrals to treatment centers with over 130,000 clients served every month.

Guess if I was 'serving' over 130,000 clients a month, and someone came along to 'steal' my customers via a tried and proven cure, I might quickly delete any sane, thought-provoking posts from 'the competition' asap, as well. Oh well, maybe a seed was planted anyway. . .but it sure pisses me off that a site/organization that purportedly exists for the purpose of enabling alcoholics to recover from their addiction would essentially blackball the only tried and scientifically proven method of recovery from being mentioned or advocated on their site.

Yeah they're a little testy over there. We are heretics from their POV.

Yes, let's let the other thread die.

But . . . I think we get used to our little "living room" here: we feel comfortable speaking our minds, and we take our right to free speech for granted. I was a bit shocked at what I saw over there, and I really haven't had the stomach to try posting. More power to those who do, though! It's a profit-driven site, so what can you expect, really? I also know that it only takes a few shrill, closed-minded loudmouths to make a whole group look bad. I'm sure there are plenty of thoughtful and respectful people over there, they just aren't the one's shrieking; "ALCOHOLICS CAN NEVER DRINK! TSM DOESN'T WORK (whatever tsm is)!! YOU ARE DELUSIONAL!!! THE SUN REVOLVES AROUND THE EARTH!!!! One of these arguments was actually used over there, typed repeatedly in all caps - as if yelling louder makes it true.

It's a good lesson for us though: there are going to be people who for whatever reason are infuriated by the idea that there is a real, available cure for alcoholism. I have some theories as to why people close their minds and harden their hearts toward TSM, but that's material for another post. For now I'm taking the lesson that if I really want to help people by spreading the word about the Sinclair Method, I must be very careful how I present myself.

BTW, some people from that site read our board too, so if any of you are reading, and would like to have a thoughtful, respectful and hopefully informative discussion here where posts and members don't just suddenly "go away", please speak your mind.

I wouldn't go back there if you paid me! They dumped me so fast, it made my head spin. I said nothing but the truth. Others countered with insults, exaggerations and falsehoods and then I was the one that was banned. Go figure. They obviously have something to hide if they are censoring truth and open discussion.

Bob

Well, there is a very nice, thoughtful member called Greener who PM'd me with a few questions. I wasn't able to PM b/c I didn't have enough posts, but he also asked me the questions in an open forum, so I went back and responded. A very nice, civil thread is developing over there - Greener has a way of defusing potential flamers and the like, and staying under the radar insofar as not introducing anything so controversial that it causes the thread to deteriorate.

Another fellow named Tyler is contributing to the thread as well. Haven't been on here enough to know if he's a member here. . .???

Book nearly complete - gotta go nail my feet to the floor!

PS: Hey Eddie, I cannot imagine anyone taking offense at your posts. . .you're one of the most likeable, tactful people I "almost" know!

The way that debate wound up or got wound up was really quite eery , towards the end they brought out the big dogma guns and then just pulled the plug .
I've no idea what rattled Smacked's Cage , seems that "sobriety and serenity "
can be way too fragile if mere debate threatens it .

Anyway if any reader of this should be from SR please bear in mind this : that that post that cited a number of our figures as being a poor show , well there's many ways to answer that but I'd just like to say as I was clearly alluded to
( 43 units a week at six months ) that that was my worst lately and as it's uk units it comes to under 25 us units which is approaches the incredibly low barrier of 'SAFE' drinking , territory i'm not very familiar with .

***OPINION ALERT***

This is just my opinion, but that site has bled our little encampment of much energy and strife. Yes, as some of us picked up before, they are a feeder for the rehab industry and have mighty strength in their numbers. So why would they want to give TSM a fair hearing? God bless those who patiently go there and try to be witness to TSM. Do that if you choose; just please don't expect any sort of warm reception for long. The world is waiting to hear about TSM and if you feel called to bring the message there, Godspeed. We also need to continue the dialogue we started on another thread about how and where to spread the news. Here's as good a place as any to resume that discussion. If anyone feels the need for an etiquette lesson prior to spreading the word, we'll post a link .

Again: Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.
IMO!!!!!

I agree for the most part, Lena. But there is a quiet, under the radar thread over there now - and that forum probably has hundreds, if not thousands, of members/visitors who need to hear what we have to say. Too bad I can't figure out a way to get a link to here. . .

Suggest a google search. For "Sinclair Method" we are number 6, for "Sinclair Method FAQ" we are numbers 1 and 2.

I feel like deleting this after you see it in case it gets seen by the Mulligans...

And that's without even trying. If I could get some bloggers or other sites to link to this one, we'd be closer to the top all around.