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 Post subject: Re: Roxy's Weeklly Progress Thread
PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 9:28 am 
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Weeks 22 and 23. Week 23 included a ski trip. Basically everything is going very smoothly. Cure is still in effect. Will probably see a spike this weekend due to some planned events, but working on drinks per session.

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 Post subject: Re: Roxy's Weeklly Progress Thread
PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 10:32 am 
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Congratulations! Let me ask this? I suck at reading these graphs I think. Is it me or are the number of drinks per session greater than before TSM? if so, how is that cured? I'm not trying to be a skeptic or doubt your sincerity, I just want to know. these graphs leave me cold and I sometimes wonder what this stuff looks like to the average surfer stumbling upon the board while researching the cure.

EDIT: it liooks like drinks per session dropped in the last part. but I can't tell how many weeks that is from the bottom of the graph.

also: you say cured at week 21 but your previous (the blue one) graph shows the drinks per week going higher than pre TSM levels after week 21. am I reading this wrong?

EDIT again: I looked at the first one again. the number of weeks at the bottom is extremely hard to decipher on either graph. I guess that's what threw me. glad to see it's worked. hope mine works in 21 weeks too

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 Post subject: Re: Roxy's Weeklly Progress Thread
PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 12:40 pm 
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joe12pack wrote:
Congratulations! Let me ask this? I suck at reading these graphs I think. Is it me or are the number of drinks per session greater than before TSM? if so, how is that cured? I'm not trying to be a skeptic or doubt your sincerity, I just want to know. these graphs leave me cold and I sometimes wonder what this stuff looks like to the average surfer stumbling upon the board while researching the cure.

EDIT: it liooks like drinks per session dropped in the last part. but I can't tell how many weeks that is from the bottom of the graph.

also: you say cured at week 21 but your previous (the blue one) graph shows the drinks per week going higher than pre TSM levels after week 21. am I reading this wrong?

EDIT again: I looked at the first one again. the number of weeks at the bottom is extremely hard to decipher on either graph. I guess that's what threw me. glad to see it's worked. hope mine works in 21 weeks too


Let me address your questions: Yes, drinks per session are high, and I have posted on many occasions that this is an area in which improvement is desired. When one is drinking, whether they be an alcoholic or not, they get drunk and lose good sense. The cured state is not necessarily dependent on any single metric, but more of a state of indifference to alcohol in this case. If your objective is abstinence, then perhaps you will not declare yourself cured until then. As far as a spike at week 22, let me again say that quantity is not the focus in this case, but the trend is definitely down in that area too. Take the two weeks combined and you get a better picture. It might be good to take a look at the trend lines and also consider that Mrs. BC has gone from 0 AF days per week to several per week (5 last week) with this program. If that were the only improvement, it would be declared a success, but the improvements are many and not always quantifiable.

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 Post subject: Re: Roxy's Weeklly Progress Thread
PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 4:35 pm 
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I'm a dope at reading all this graph stuff too - but I know a downward trend when I see one!!! Mrs. B&C is doing so well - you both must be so relieved that there is such a trend!!

Just goes to show eh? that we are all so different - in our drinking patterns, amounts, and especially goals. Please tell your missus that we're all glad for her! Sounds like she's getting her life back and that's what counts no matter what her pattern or amounts are.


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 Post subject: Re: Roxy's Weeklly Progress Thread
PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 4:38 pm 
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cool. Yeah I think the bottoms of the graphs where the numbers are scrunched together threw me. I was thinking week 12 was week 21 I think. but congratulations. great progress!! I hope to be there by week 21! I look forward to continuing to watch your progress. please keep sharing. :)

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 Post subject: Re: Roxy's Weeklly Progress Thread
PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 1:09 pm 
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Husband checking in. Stopped keeping unit count and graphing at this point for a few reasons. One of the reasons was the desire to get to a point where the focus on alcohol was minimized. Roxy still takes her Nal as prescribed and is still considered "cured". Has it been a perfect picture since cure? No, there have been two unpleasant binges. Does that mean she is not cured? Not sure, but she still does 3-5 AF days per week with little issue; an impossibility before TSM.
The binges were bad, I must say, and reminded me of everything that led us to this site. On the other hand, there was not the persistent obstinance, and she was quick to getting back to normal after the episodes. She is averaging about 3-3.5 bottles of wine per week (down from 7-8 pre tsm), which is still too much imo, considering she jams them into 2-3 sessions. Anyway, she really wants that to change, but I am not sure it will since she gets so damn wasted on just a few glasses; then all bets are off. Setbacks aside, this method has been incredible for her, and for me. Thanks again to all.

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 Post subject: Re: Roxy's Weeklly Progress Thread
PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 3:21 pm 
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Hi BC

Similar to Joe, I'd be somewhat sceptical about using the word cured yet, but you're seeing definite progress and that is great! 3-3.5 bottles a week is 2-3 times the safe maximum amount for women, so I'd say there is a distance to go yet. Also, the guidelines suggest that no more than about 30% of a (safe) weekly limit should be consumed in any one sitting.

Definitely stick with it though - the path can be very non-linear, particularly for those who drink daily (as I did). The point where I'm at now is almost a mirror-image of your wife - I have almost no trouble stopping a drinking session at a 'reasonable' amount (i.e. well short of what it would have been pre-TSM, but still maybe twice as much as a 'safe' session), but I find it difficult getting past 3 AF days per week. I'm almost a year on TSM by the way, and now drinking in a far healthier manner (and at about 1/3 of the level I was before TSM).

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Pre-TSM, ~105 (UK) Units, ~0.5 AF days, Craving 8
Wk 1-8 93/0.25/3.5
Wk 9-16 79.5/0.5/2.8
Wk 17-24 75/1.2/2.7
Wk 25-32 61.5/2.3/1.6
Wk 33-40 47/3.5/1.1
Wk 41-48 47/3.5/1
Wk 49-56 44/3.8/1
Wk 57-64 45/3.8/1
Wk 66 45/3/1
Wk 66 65/1/1
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 Post subject: Re: Roxy's Weeklly Progress Thread
PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 9:14 pm 
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I was going to post a link to an article saying that the UK drinking limits were arbitrary but then I found this 8-)
http://www.ias.org.uk/resources/publica ... 01_p4.html


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