Having a difficult time finding the History of Sinclair Method. Does anyone have any links to help me? I ask because my 30 year + AA Aunt is trying to fight me on TSM.

I found in the Big AA Book:



Since this was written in 1938, I beleive that last part "Science may one day accomplish this, but it hasn’t done so yet" has been fulfilled and want to explain it to her. But Just can't seem to find the history off the internet.

Thanks in advanced
-GuyJeb

there are various dates in the "Cure for Alcoholism" book ranging from mid-90's to early-00's

https://www.dropbox.com/s/60fs7gmvbyzs1kk/Cure%20for%20Alcoholism.pdf?dl=0

GuyJeb,

I think there was a quote somewhere either on here, or heard somewhere, that I believe Dr. Roy had said about Bill. It had to do with what was in the Big Book something about "one day science might find a cure"...or something like that...and Dr. Roy or Dr. Sinclair thought that Bill would have approved of this method, for it is helping so many people...If I can figure out where I heard it or read it I will post a link.

Let AA believers believe what they want to believe, for I think it rocks their boat too much.

The science is there and there are many studies that have been done with nal. for alcohol, and not, and the results are all the same.

I think even when nal. was being studied for opiate addiction they realized that it helped the addicts more for their alcohol use than the desire for opiate addiction (I might have posted the link for that somewhere here).

I am sorry to hear about the grief you are getting, but I think walking proof should be enough evidence for them...but I know it won't be.

Jaba

Evidence about the use of naltrexone and for different ways of using it in the treatment of alcoholism (I hope the link works)

http://alcalc.oxfordjournals.org/content/36/1/2

The missing chapter is interesting:
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=19&p=33&hilit=bill&sid=2b3ac1e7515e96ed2a0f201cdd95bd9f#p33

GuyJeb, first that is indeed a great quote from The Big Book.

I think you are spinning your wheels trying to inform a 30 year veteran of AA this is a legitimate treatment founded in science. Being in AA and investigating it for myself the attempts I've made towards sharing it with AA members has completely fallen on deaf ears. Some very intellectual members would not even give it a glance. Reason being it goes against everything they've been indoctrinated to believe and threatens not only their own sobriety, but their social outlet as well. I'm sorry to say, but your efforts are likely better put elsewhere.

Also, I wouldn't mention the mj to her. "A drink, a pill or a joint..." has been incorporated in most factions despite the preamble stating, "... those who have a desire to stop drinking".

This is the quote from The Big Book she's operating under, "The idea that somehow, someday he will control and enjoy his drinking is the great obsession of every abnormal drinker. The persistence of this illusion is astonishing. Many pursue it into the gates of insanity or death".

In the USA the FDA approved the use of Naltrexone for alcoholism in 1994. I sure do wish I knew about it back then. But when you have a cheap alternative treatment that actually does work and you are up against a $6 Billion dollar a year rehabilitation industry you don't get much back. But TSM dates further back then that. The FDA is slow at adopting new things, not necessarily a bad thing at all, but Sinclair's work goes back to the 60's on up to the 80's when the clinical trials started happening in Finland.

I'm curious to know how some of those 'patients' are doing who actually started around 1994 and what their stories are.

Yes, good question indeed. It's mystifying to know that this forum has been in existence since approximately 2009, yet nobody from those years ever comes back to post anything.

A few people that have been on TSM over the last few years have come back and posted, maybe half were OK with things, and half of going back to drinking. If you look back at the old records, there was a large number of people "cured" at that time, but yet nobody ever comes back to say anything. I believe the "cured" list around 2010, had 50 or more people on it.

Never seen anything anywhere about someone that is more than five years out, that has continued with naltrexone or TSM.

the only person I can think of would be Claudia Christian who I believe has been 'cured' since 2009

Yeah it's still one of my fears. I've probably mentioned this before but before doing TSM and reading all about it I could not help but think of that movie 'Awakenings' with Robin Williams. IT was based on a true story about patients that had some sort of catatonic disorder they just slipped into and never came out. Some scientist discovered a drug and they tried it on the patients and they immediately came back to life and just when things started to get normal again they slipped back to catatonic state for ever.

Freakin depressing.

But that's not the way TSM works so I'm hopeful.

well, go back in time and read some threads from 2009 , 2010 and come to your own conclusion.

I have complete faith in this process, as it just continues to get better. I know I would come back and post in the future to encourage folks.

Just cannot make any sense of why old-timers don't stop by.

In one sense I find it peculiar that there aren't any old members stopping in. On the other hand I suspect that there's not much to talk about once it has worked. I figure Finland wouldn't still be using this if there wasn't a long-term success rate. Or, there would be more of an outcry if it were all together inaccurate science.