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 Post subject: Am I going about this the wrong way?
PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 3:57 pm 
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I'm trying to do what little I can to spread the word about the Sinclair Method. I frequent a relationship board to help me get over the breakup with my ex. I saw a post from a girl who has an alcoholic boyfriend. I try to tell her about the Sinclair Method and I feel like I get attacked. Maybe I'm wording things the wrong way.

Maybe I'm sticking my nose into business where it doesn't belong.

Here is a link to the thread...
http://www.enotalone.com/forum/showthre ... ost4765807

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 Post subject: Re: Am I going about this the wrong way?
PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 4:32 pm 
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Wow, pretty harsh, though I am not all that surprised. Maybe just pass along this site without much additional info and let them make their own decision about it??? With limited info given it might be just enough to pique their interest and they will at least take a moment to look at it before they shut down thinking it is a "sales pitch", though I know you didn't intend it that way.

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 Post subject: Re: Am I going about this the wrong way?
PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:46 pm 
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Nevermind. The original poster is going to tell her boyfriend about TSM.

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 Post subject: Re: Am I going about this the wrong way?
PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 11:42 pm 
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Don't discourage Tambo. You planted a seed. Who knows who will benefit from its fruit.


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 Post subject: Re: Am I going about this the wrong way?
PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 3:00 am 
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Tambo,

I think your post made good sense and gave good advice. You are coming from a humanistic point of view having lived with this disease. The relies to your post made me very cross. Many off us would be dead by now if everyone we loved had left us so as not to be ''co-dependent'' and let us 'reach rock bottom''. What a load of nonsense is out there about this disease and the replies to your post highlight this. 'Don't help the alcoholic because they need to reach rock bottom before they make a choice to recover'...what rubbish. Most of us spent years living at rock bottom waking up everyday and 'choosing' to get better only to find ourselves drinking by noon because guess what??? We had no more choice than someone who 'decides' to choose not to have cancer or a heart condition. Its no wonder so many of the people sick with this disease are dying when everything in society says 'leave them to it, let them suffer, let them think their way well'.

Don't let those posts stop you from telling people about TSM, you are doing the right thing and good will come of it.


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 Post subject: Re: Am I going about this the wrong way?
PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 9:01 am 
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Hey Squirrel, Digetic and Susie. Thanks for the support on this. I really needed it. It is just so frustrating when I constantly run into people who believe abandoning an alcoholic is always the best way. I know they've been hurt in the past and I don't blame them. They live in a world where the only available treatment is a 12 step program and with those kinds of odds it makes sense that they would advocate abandonment. But we live in a world with TSM and it's a shame every one doesn't know about it.

We need a paradigm shift in the way people treat and think about alcoholics. I truly believe Doctor Sinclair deserves a Nobel Prize for his work in this field. I'm doing what I can to get the word out.

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5-8: 39
9-12: 25
13-16: 24
17-20: 18
21-24: 8
25-28: 4 Regained Control at Week 26
29-32: 6
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 Post subject: Re: Am I going about this the wrong way?
PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 11:27 am 
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As one of the "abandoned" ones this really resonates with me. If you think alcoholism is a moral defect then detaching from someone who is drowning in alcoholism makes sense so you can save yourself. If you believe in the disease model of alcoholism it sort of looks like leaving your loved one because they developed diabetes, cancer or obesity. No one would support that notion but smoking contributes to cancer and over-eating contribute to diabetes and obesity so it's not that far fetched. Maybe Lundbeck will be able to come up with a convincing marketing campaign to remove some of the guilt from alcoholism when they start marketing oral nalmefene in Europe.

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 Post subject: Re: Am I going about this the wrong way?
PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 8:37 pm 
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This is precisely what Minneapolis nick, Andy and I have been discussing.

Creating a book, a website, a tour, a production, a presentation, etc. that will effectively get the TSM word out. Particularly to the medical community. Initially, at least.

It is maddening that a defunct, ineffective 12 step program is still held in the highest regard by practicing physicians, nurses, psychologists, et al.

Enough already!!!!!!!!!!!

The paradigm IS shifting. Believe it, because we, after all, are hereby shifting of it!

Some of us here on the forum are already in the pre-production phase of taking this treatment to the masses. If you want to be a part of that... when the time comes... well, we will see that your hand is raised.

It will happen. Because it simply has to. For alcoholics, it will be a simple, clean acknowlodgement: Our Higher Power is Science.....

In the meantime, spread the word.... why not? It certainly can't hurt.

And most all............

Believe,

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 Post subject: Re: Am I going about this the wrong way?
PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2011 6:23 pm 
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I've been thinking a lot about how to spread the word. One thing I think we should try is a simple bumper sticker (ie, one that says "TSM" and nothing else). That way, as more and more people have success with TSM and put the bumper sticker on the car, there will be more and more cars with "TSM" bumper stickers on them. Then, when someone stumbles onto information about TSM, they will be able to realize "wow, that's what all those bumper stickers were! There are a lot of people out there that have been helped by this Sinclair Method!" It would be even better if we could get our friends and family to put the bumper sticker on their cars too....so that way the "TSM" bumper sticker would mean simply 'The Sinclair Method has helped me or someone I care about'.


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 Post subject: Re: Am I going about this the wrong way?
PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2011 7:00 pm 
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Wow Tambo - your post was so sane and rational and the replies so vitriolic! Horrible, I would feel so crappy if it were me.
I hope the message gets out nevertheless.
REgarding the whole "save yourself" mentality when dating an alcoholic (or someone with, for instance, a mental health issue or something else that causes behaviour/moods that are not "normal") ---- I'm torn. While I am so incredibly thankful that my boyfriend hasn't even considered leaving me because of my drinking, I have in the past had to get out of a very harmful relationship with an incredibly depressed and violent (not to me, but ....around me, if that makes sense) boyfriend. After years of trying to help and suggesting therapy, meds, exercise, regular sleep patterns, etc, I realized that I was his crutch, in addition to supporting him economically I was also enabling him to not seek help for his depression. I do think that sometimes this could be the case with alcoholics as well - but again, it's not so much about teaching a lesson as not being broken down yourself if your partner becomes a threat to your mental health.

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