Is Wine extinction different from other AL extinction?

They should be the same. AL is AL, regardless of the type of drink. But do wine drinkers have a tougher time which drinkers of other types seem to have a "normal" TSM response to?

I'm curious about effectiveness differences, if any, there are. Maybe it's because there are a majority of wine drinkers that seem to be attracted to TSM that skews this observation. But I thought I'd throw it out here for discussion. It is worth asking.

Bob

Interesting question. I'm a wine-biber and certainly having difficulties giving it up...I wonder if it's because of something in the wine that makes it a little different...psychologically, for me the difficulty is that wine is a reach-for alcohol when 5 pm comes around, getting dinner, talking about the day with hubby etc. then on from there...but I guess those who have a martini before supper would have the same difficulties...but good question!

I think you're on to something, Bob. It does seem like the winos are the ones seeing the least or no changes...I am coming up on my 1 yr anniversary Feb 6th. Disappointed & going to ask for BAC next - in combo w/ NAL I think. LoOp has me convinced. But the particulars in the chemistry of wine that keeps us from getting the benfits of TSM may be true...dunno

Somewhere on this forum there's a thread about the chemicals GHB and GBL. These chemicals ONLY occur in wine and are not in any other alcoholic beverage. Somebody did a study on it too, I think.

Bob

bob, I'm a wine drinker too and I prefer it over anything else Do you think it's the sugar in the grapes and how it ferments?

corkit

It's a puzzlement. I have what I would call an appreciation for good beers, ciders, and single malt, but I'm a wine drinker through and through. Maybe not to the levels of some, but a bottle a day, pretty much, for a decade or more. I never had any trouble with AL until I discovered wine and began to drink it as my default "after 5:00" beverage.

That said, at my relatively low level and comparatively short duration, I would have to say that my TSM experience was practically text-book in duration. Goal first reached in 11 weeks and less than half of *that* in five months.

AMAZING! I have been a two bottle a day wine drinker (red mostly) for almost ten years, to the point where i would not want anything else than wine even tho i am an 'alcoholic' (unless of course i was already wasted in which case i'd drink whatever). and although the nal MOST DEFINITELY improved me in SO MANY ways: no embarassing behavior, blackouts, endangering myself and others, more self control, less cravings.......i still got a lil bit of the fuzzies....ONLY wine. HOWEVER!!!! Three weeks ago, I renewed my scrip for topamax (which is how i found this site from my way out), and the combo of that AND the nal is working GREAT!!!!!!!!! I am down to phenom levels like someone flicked a switch! I went off the topamax bc, well, it wasn't working well enough and my hair was falling out, but it did stabilize my moods wonderfully and make me supermodel thin. I actually wanted to go back on it cuz i got fat in the islands and florida over the holidays but my hair falling out? UGGGHHH! Well, i read that BIOTIN supplements in 100000 mg/day keep your hair and nails great along with a B-vitamin sup, so I have been doing that, and in three weeks, I have lost 9 pounds, have been drinking only a few glasses of wine per night with going af like it's not even anything at all, been feeling so so happy and less moody, and it's been so fabulous I can't even express how pleased I am! I also cut my naltrexone dose to 25 mg/day awhile ago bc I felt like it was lingering in my system too long the next day. I am not saying others should do this I am just writing what has worked for me. I know some people have had bad side effects from topamax but for me it works great just. And bringing this back around to wine, I think I hit it with a double whammy, cuz the topa hits the GABBA and the nal extinguishes the craving and voila! AWESOME:)

o, and also, just cuz one thinks there may be a correlation doesn't mean there is, but we can speculate...could it be that maybe it's harder for wine drinkers to extinguish bc wine is associated with SO MANY pleasurable things like food, romance, celebratins, relaxation, luxury? wondering...

I discovered wine after years of drinking beer and tequila. The wine just seemed sophisticated somehow. Wine was also where tsm really first started working for me. Now wine still tastes a bit sour, and beer tastes a little foamy, but I can still overdo it on the tequila.