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 Post subject: Sinclair at it again - Nal nasal spary for obesity
PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 10:35 am 
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This is mind blowing. Found this site while doing a little research. I see that lo0p posted about this in December but thought it was worth discussing again. Anybody know if Naloxone nasal spray is a suitable alternative to Naltrexone for alcohol TSM? I hope the good Dr. gets rich from this venture; he certainly deserves it.

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 Post subject: Re: Sinclair at it again - Nal nasal spary for obesity
PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 6:53 pm 
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isn't the only real benefit of any nasal spray over a pill the fact that it enters your bloodstream faster? with a NAL spray, maybe that means you would just have to spray 5 minutes before drinking, instead of an hour.


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 Post subject: Re: Sinclair at it again - Nal nasal spary for obesity
PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 8:09 pm 
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nemo wrote:
isn't the only real benefit of any nasal spray over a pill the fact that it enters your bloodstream faster? with a NAL spray, maybe that means you would just have to spray 5 minutes before drinking, instead of an hour.


Yes. Seems like a real benefit for some. Anything that makes the "golden rule" easier to adhere to would be a plus.

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 Post subject: Re: Sinclair at it again - Nal nasal spary for obesity
PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 6:26 am 
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Sinclair's daughter, Stephanie, started a thread here a while back with a link to Lightlake Sinclair, where she works with her father. I don't have time now, but if you search "lightlake" here you'll find it. There's info re: their latest projects.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 7:55 am 
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Thanks Lena.

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 Post subject: Re: Sinclair at it again - Nal nasal spary for obesity
PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 8:15 am 
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A short-acting (and fast-acting) receptor blocker sounds to me like the ideal post-addiction med.


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 Post subject: Re: Sinclair at it again - Nal nasal spary for obesity
PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 9:38 am 
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Agree!

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 Post subject: Re: Sinclair at it again - Nal nasal spary for obesity
PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 9:51 am 
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AJ_ wrote:
bobandcarol wrote:
nemo wrote:
isn't the only real benefit of any nasal spray over a pill the fact that it enters your bloodstream faster? with a NAL spray, maybe that means you would just have to spray 5 minutes before drinking, instead of an hour.


Yes. Seems like a real benefit for some. Anything that makes the "golden rule" easier to adhere to would be a plus.


The spray is Naloxone, not Naltrexone. It does a similar thing but has a much shorter half-life, making it suitable for food, but perhaps not for drinking alcohol. It might be okay though if you were only having one drink (i.e a short drinking session where the alcohol would be out of your bloodstream quickly). Interesting stuff though.


I thought we are trying to block the "first drink effect", which would make a fast acting short-lived version interesting. Additionally, there is a study using actual Naltrexone in a nasal form going on, but I am not sure of the results or details yet. I wrote the doctor conducting the trials but have not heard back.

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 Post subject: Re: Sinclair at it again - Nal nasal spary for obesity
PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 3:29 pm 
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I agree. I was talking .25 nal to save tablets until I could order again and I found it did not work as effectively as .50
Once I went back to .50 I really felt the difference and hit the cured button very quickly thereafter!

Re: Sinclair's new gig: So this Sunday, with Lent over, I could give my nose a spray of Sinclair/Foodwhatever and pork back that huge piece of my fantastic super-special pure lard pastry/apple/raisin/rum/cinnamon pie, with whipped cream on top and not feel a thing? Nah! I'll pass!

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AJ_ wrote:
I thought we are trying to block the "first drink effect", which would make a fast acting short-lived version interesting. Additionally, there is a study using actual Naltrexone in a nasal form going on, but I am not sure of the results or details yet. I wrote the doctor conducting the trials but have not heard back.

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We're trying to block all the endorphins released by drinking, not just the initial ones from the first drink. The first drink effect is one of the things we enjoy about drinking, but blocking it doesn't make you stop craving. You need to unwire the neural pathways formed over years of drinking, and that requires blocking all endorphins, not just the initial ones. And if we blocked the "first drink effect", we'd probably then have to coin a "second or third drink effect" and worry about that. 25mg NAL would block the first drink effect, but as we've seen with a few people on the board, 25 mg isn't always enough.


I'm not so sure this is correct. Studies with mice have shown that endorphin release is stimulated with low doses of alcohol, but not with high doses. If I understand this correctly, there would be a sweet spot for attacking the problem with Naltrexone. This would seem to be during the low-dose phase of drinking, presumably the first drink or two.

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