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 Post subject: Re: Moving beyond the flat spots II
PostPosted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 9:52 pm 
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Bumpy ride, indeed, Q. And while I can't and don't want to comment on much of this, let me say I have not gotten any PMs from RR and am almost disappointed at not being recruited for his mission. LOL

In all seriousness, I have really been on a rollercoaster ride the last few weeks when I hit the 4-month mark and looked around. Even though I know it's a "minimum", it seems like some of us are taking longer and it's natural to compare. I have now heard 2 references to Stephanie Sinclair's chart on that website that shows success at 300 days! I have gone thru every page (I thought) and sure didn't see it. I just read text and saw no charts or numbers. So if someone could shine the flashlight on that one, I'd appreciate it - can't find it.

Upping the dosage? Hope that isn't a factor. Elfern - loved your post! We just need to stay the course. I think I said elsewhere I am so "hooked" on NAL I don't think I'll ever drink w/o it again..."just in case"! Seriously - who knows the time frame trying to undo what I've done habitually all these years!

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7/10 titrating off BAC
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 Post subject: Re: Moving beyond the flat spots II
PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 12:19 am 
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Bob ,
Talking about new words you taught me one a while backthat made me sit up .
It was " Recidivist " which funnily enough is used here in french I had no idea it
could be used in English at all , normally in uk they say "re offend " . For all I know it may be frequently used in the US ?

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 Post subject: Re: Moving beyond the flat spots II
PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 2:07 pm 
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elfern wrote:
Bob ,
Talking about new words you taught me one a while back that made me sit up .
It was " Recidivist " which funnily enough is used here in french I had no idea it
could be used in English at all , normally in uk they say "re offend " . For all I know it may be frequently used in the US ?
The term "recidivism" is used in the US criminal justice system with regard to repeat offenders when they are appearing before a parole board. I don't hear it used very often outside of that microcosm.

Bob

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 Post subject: Re: Moving beyond the flat spots II
PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 1:47 am 
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bob3d wrote:
elfern wrote:
Bob ,
Talking about new words you taught me one a while back that made me sit up .
It was " Recidivist " which funnily enough is used here in french I had no idea it
could be used in English at all , normally in uk they say "re offend " . For all I know it may be frequently used in the US ?
The term "recidivism" is used in the US criminal justice system with regard to repeat offenders when they are appearing before a parole board. I don't hear it used very often outside of that microcosm.

Bob


Then you must be a word fiend ! A fine thing !

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 Post subject: Re: Moving beyond the flat spots II
PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:01 am 
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mciws wrote:
Greeting Friends,

I just have to respond to something. I am NOT you dear friend RR. My ego would just not allow this suggestion to go unanswered, as I am familiar... :)

I obviously stepped out with the wrong foot (words) and I apologize if I came across as condescending (it certainly was not an attempt to do so, as "I jus knows I can do betta"). There are a couple of other minor points I would like to clarify.

Re: naltrexone and women. Camelia indicated she increased dosage --> I relayed information that some addicition professionals believe this is appropriate (particularly the author of the article I provided later, who is the director of a rehabilitation center (not the paper cited in the article)) --> this may be something Dr. E or S. could address. The scientific record on naltrexone and gender differences is rather limited. This does not mean that 50mg does not provide adequate blockage of the opiod system, it is just that with limited data it may be worth exploring with the Drs. My intent was to be supportive of her choice.

Also, I am not a professional philosopher but I was trained in philosophy (with a concentration in bioethics to precise) and I work in biomedical research (drug development, clinical trials). I made this point about my background as I noticed many people on this board are high functioning individuals, intellectual. I do not know what this says about us or TSM, but I do think it is a an interesting (and relevant) and point. I will not explain further here, but as a "lurker" this drew me to TSM whereas I have been turned off by some AA groups for the opposite reasons (sometimes difficult to relate).

I must say first that I am a believer in TSM and naltrexone, it is truly working for me. But I must also admit that I recognize limitations in the data regarding the use of this protocol. It is possible that there may turn out to be some negatives, such as it may take 1-2 years to be effective in some populations. I appreciate some of the concerns expressed regarding that lack of real world results, but would just emphasize that many drugs ( and protocols) that reach the market are often refined after it has been administer to tens of thousand of people.My point is stick with it, we are the early stages of this game. And if nothing else for me, naltrexone has personally made a huge difference in the way I drink and the way I react to alcohol. Even if I am never "cured" I will continue on with naltrexone for good.

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MCIWS

Nice post, MC - and welcome to the board. Thank you for your contributions, and for clarifying these points for us. With your background, I suspect you will be a valuable contributor here! Your comments about this being a new protocol and the overall lack of history in various populations succinctly states what many of us here have suspected - we need to be prepared to hang in here over the long haul. Best case scenario, we shake this monkey off our backs. But even if that doesn't happen for a few of us, we still do this for the sake of those who follow. . .


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