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 Post subject: Re: Nalcoholics Anonymous, the big book
PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 12:32 am 
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I've loved all comments truly. I agree at least in part to all of them....

But again, I fall back to the idea, do you all remember when you bought the book (Eskapa)? I held onto it and re-read it a few times like it was a life boat....

Wouldn't it be nice for us to have a big book for TSM.....

Nick, I think you're thinking this forum is the big book,...but I can tell you right now and I've been here 7 months,...I haven't read every post,...there are some great words that I missed ...why,.cuz I ain't busy searching this board. I check active topics and thats it.....

Again, a PDF book made up of our favorite submissions,...available online on this site for free of course....

SO my idea is this,..you guys submit your fave posts and insight,..I'll compile them into a book amnd label them with different topix etc...your thoughts?

I just htink we need to have our sh*t togehter as I think the convention is coming in the nbext year..no?

Anyways,...great insight and comments thanks guys (and gals),..best Jim


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 Post subject: Re: Nalcoholics Anonymous, the big book
PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 1:17 am 
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Hm... a book talking about the experiences of people here and providing a meta-analysis of the statistics generated in journals (and the spreadsheet) would be a good idea. It could be an adjunct to the book from Dr. Eskapa that provides some more realistic data for people exploring the idea of using TSM.

Personally I don't think anything relating to spirituality or the rest of the worthless mumbo-jumbo spun by AA has any place in the context of this course of treatment. TSM is based on science. AA is based on the out dated opinions and assertions of Bill W and his legion of cult members. There is no cross over.

There are already plenty of 12 step based self help books out there, one more isn't going to help anyone. In fact, stamping the name "The Sinclair Method" across the 12 steps will only serve to erode the already tenuous credibility of the treatment in the recovery community.

Just my opinion.


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 Post subject: Re: Nalcoholics Anonymous, the big book
PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 1:18 pm 
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As a person of faith, I think you are correct about not overtly addressing spirituality. Spirituality is irrelevant to this effective treatment method.

Following the Big Book form and structure as Jim Clark has suggested does have distinct advantages. Most people start with AA, not realizing the heavy religious bias. Since 90 to 95% of their membership fails under their program, we have a large audience of people who are quite familiar with the Big Book structure and juxtaposing a scientifically proven method (although still not 100% effective method) against this 80 year old book would make for interesting and compelling reading. The real-life stories of those folks who are here can only bolster people's opinions about the treatment's efficacy. We also for the sake of truth need to include some stories of folks that it did not work out for, so as to add that ring of truth that accurate accounts need to have.

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 Post subject: Re: Nalcoholics Anonymous, the big book
PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 3:51 pm 
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And just to clarify,...I was in NO WAY advocating any God stuff.

Its just that again there are so many brilliant posts and ideas. And as you said, with our real life stories, it could help those of us looking at a 9-12 month time frame, a realistic look at what to expect, strategies etc....

I was so amped on the Eskapa book, and at three months I was kinda freaking out, not seeing results, then just having past six and feeling an overwhelming sense of security (numbers down) only to see it go back up the past two nights....

I could really use a reference book as I like books better than computers but I come here daily if not to post, to read.....ok thanks for addressing this subject everybody, I really appreciate it

Best, Jim


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 Post subject: Re: Nalcoholics Anonymous, the big book
PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 6:54 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Nalcoholics Anonymous, the big book
PostPosted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 2:31 pm 
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DOMD wrote:
...I wonder if looking at TSM and seeing something similar in structure and content to AA might drive them away?
If that would be the case, then we already have Dr. Eskapa's book. But, a scientific medical parallel the the Big Book would certainly be different content from "The Cure for Alcoholism".

I agree wholeheartedly that it should not be called the Big Book, but perhaps a some play on words. Many authors create books that are the antithesis of another book and name it something that links the two, but is obvious from the title that it is quite different. Since Alcoholics Anonymous is a trademarked name, Nalcoholics Anonymous is too close and would invite a lawsuit. However, Nalcoholics could be used, since variations of the term Alcoholic, such as Chocoholic, Workaholic, sexaholic, are all in general use. The suffix "aholic" is not a trademark.

One antonym of 'Anonymous' is 'Unambiguous', but a book entitled "Nalcoholics Unambiguous" doesn't seem to have that ring to it. Although a secondary title under it could explain what the book is really about.

One more item: How about setting up a non-profit LLC for the publication of the proposed book, so that people could/would not claim it is a money-making fly-by-night treatment, plus it would protect us personally from potential lawsuits. I don't want to make money from disseminating this treatment as most, if not all, of you don't. We want people to get better and get their lives back like I got mine back.

Bob

PS How about "An Inconvenient Cure, the Truth about Eliminating Alcoholism through Medical Treatment"

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 Post subject: Re: Nalcoholics Anonymous, the big book
PostPosted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 3:28 pm 
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PS How about "An Inconvenient Cure, the Truth about Eliminating Alcoholism through Medical Treatment"

To scramble around another famous title, that's a staggering work of heartbreaking genius. Well done, sir. In all seriousness: that is the message, right there.

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 Post subject: Re: Nalcoholics Anonymous, the big book
PostPosted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 3:44 pm 
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I agree: genius.

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 Post subject: An Inconvenient Cure
PostPosted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:53 pm 
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I love Bob'S TITLE (I couldn't fit the whole title in subject)....it makes me happy that there is interest in this idea,..I think the next step is to begin the organization,..having a neutral place to send comments....Then I could turn them into PDF's and we could create the book......

OK I set up an email for submissions...paste your favorite submissions. But I think it would be best if you submitted only your own, and if you want to submit someone elses,...contact them.....

These are just ideas. If you have other ideas or think this is a bad idea please tell me....

Also we'll need chapter titles, etc etc...

email is nalsyourpal@gmail.com

Cool, and best, Jim


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 Post subject: Re: Nalcoholics Anonymous, the big book
PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 8:30 am 
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Jim I think your idea is just right on. There is a need out there for real truth about drunks, how we see ourselves, how we feel about life, and what's different about us. As well, our experiences in searching for help, our experiences with our doctors, and other books than Escapa's. Then we have so much experience with finding TSM, what that meant, how we felt when we realized we were not simply tainted - the freedom! Then our actual experiences with naltrexone - the whole thing is an appendix to Escapa's book in my humble opinion. And I don't think his book has as much value as his, and ours will together!!! Real people, real life, real truth, real help.

I'm in. Jim, how do you suggest we submit stuff? In sections like: my life before; my search; my experiences with doctor; my first "nal"; my progress....I'm not sure you will be able to handle a rush of stream of consciousness from us all!!! You may want to delineate chapters so we can plug into the relevant ones.

I'm also glad, Jim, that you are seeing some progress....I've been "cured" for a while now, but have had several BUMPS in the road. Back on track pretty quickly tho with almost no effort, which is great. What a difference!!!!!!


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