I have taken both Nodict and Naltima... I haven't noticed a difference in SEs or efficacy. The only difference is that the Naltima is extremely bitter tasting... even for just the second it's on my tongue before I swallow it. That might be because the nodict has a thicker coating?

Good Luck!

MinneMom

Thanks for the replies, the support on here is amazing. Ive changed the 60 minute to 90 minute wait as the Nodict tablets do have a hard casing, I guess for slow release. Ive also started drinking water between drinks -something ive previously done post nal with no effect.

The hangovers are becoming terrible (which Im sure is down to the chemical reaction of the Nal and alcohol) but the urge to drink all night has returned. My end game is to be 'cured' as Im an alcoholic but this is probably my lowest point so far.

I now have the hangovers from hell plus the digestion / upset tummy that comes from heavy drinking and the gradual regression into dark moods / irritability that plagued me for years prior to this programme. I feel far worse than when I was drinking without Nal.One issue I have is that the Nal has now become a trigger point, taking the tablet that is. I now feel the urge to take that tablet more than the urge to drink, this may be a good sign I dont know yet...but its then the green light to drink which seems counter productive but of course is part of the system.

Ive taken a leap of faith and ordered another 3 months supply.


Started TSM Oct 27th 2015

Hey Pounding.... so sorry about the depression that seems to have set in. I don't know if it's from the Nal or not, but wondering if you're talked to anyone about THAT? Perhaps an antidepressant might be in order?

I'm glad you've decided to stick this out for another 3 months... hopefully it will get easier for you soon!

MinneMom

Pounding,

It sounds like you are having a rough time of it, but I promise you it does get better. Most of what you are experiencing is what I went through. I think it is typical and most people experienced the same thing. Just remember that this is temporary, and this too shall pass.

MM is right in asking if you are getting help or counseling for your depression. I cannot remember if you are getting counseling or not for AUD. Alcohol is a depressant and with those hangovers, or nal overs, it can magnify that feeling, but once your intake decreases and you get some AF days in those dark days will disappear.

I wish I could tell you how to get over those hangovers (or nal overs), but I didn't find anything to help me; however, once my intake slowed down and decreased they went away. My nal overs were brutal and I would be bedridden all day (and sometimes the next), and the only good thing about them was I didn't drink for a day or two after them (usually by the 2nd night I would start again).

The water thing works, but it takes time. I noticed that it didn't matter to my brain if it was alcohol or water about 3-4 months, so you are almost there. Anything to brake up that routine or ritual of drinking. Also try to make those first to last as long as you can (30-60 minutes) and listen to your brain. Your brain may be telling you "I don't want this" but you keep on drinking...that is how it was for me, but one day (slowly) it will changed.

The urge to take the pill is awesome, but it also might be that is the cue for you brain that it is time to drink. That isn't a bad thing, and that urge will dissipate, but at least you want to take the pill (lack of compliance is the main reason for TSM failing).

You're doing great! And that leap of faith is the best thing that you could ever do for yourself.

Remember, this is going to work! And by next year you will be the new you (it is just around the corner).

Keep up the good work,

Jaba

I too went through a lot of the same things. I think you are really on the right track. keep the faith and congrats on your reorder. you WILL get there. the next 3-4 months you'll start to see some real changes and your perspective on AL will continue to change. you're making progress, but day to day it still can really suck. Nal on!

Thanks for your help.

Things havent improved im afraid, they've got worse. Im feeling terrible in the time after taking the tablet and before drinking and generally the following day - all day. Im also finding after doing vigorous exercise (cycling 3 hours plus) when taking a tablet afterwards it completely knocks me out, sickness, blinding headache and cant move from the sofa - it floors me. Now this is a real issue as cycling is my life.

Its got so bad on a couple of occasions I couldnt take a tablet but went straight to beer. Perhaps is just not for me.

I have another issue. In two weeks we are going on a two week all inclusive holiday (booze on tap) ...now I don't want to feel rotten and the Nal is making me feel awful so im thinking of taking a two week break. The daft thing is I usually drink far less on holiday than at home.

Rather than ruin a very expensive holiday with these rotten side effects, would a 2 week break be akin to starting new and would it be like throwing 3 months hard work down the drain ?




Started TSM Oct 27th 2015

Pounding -

Unfortunately, yes, using Nal causes the receptors that you're trying to block to "up-regulate" and become much more sensitive. Usually per TSM you would leverage that into an Alcohol Free weekend (no Nal and no drinking for 3 days). On the 3rd day, you take advantage of those sensitized receptors and engage in a healthy activity that releases endorphins and your brain will "learn" that's an option to drinking. If you drink without the Nal, it will be like throwing the car in reverse and flooring the gas pedal. Well, mull over the AF weekend and see what you think, it might be useful to try it and see what your reaction to the Nal is on the 4th day.

This is where I'd suggest teaming up with a TSM doc.

You might also want to email Joanna at joanna@cthreeeurope.com, likely she can give you some pointers. Her reply is likely to come from a different address, so keep an eye out for it and check your junk mail folder too. Joanna also has Dr. Eskapa's ear, he might have some useful feedback for you.

Before going to see a doc, go get some blood tests done. My doc wanted the following before he would prescribe:

CMP
CBC w/diff
GGT (not GTT, which is Glucose Tolerance Test).

Tell the lab you'll pick up the results yourself. Mine was quite readable and you'll be able to see if you have any results that are out of the normal range. Shoot the doc a copy before your appointment.

Aside from that, you're far enough into the process that you might have good success at being mindful during your drinking sessions. Try:

1. Having a small meal before taking the Nal and wash it down with a full glass of water.

2. Commit to sipping your beer, don't gulp it. Especially the first one. I doubt you smoke, but I do and noticed that I would drink most of a pint if I had it with me when I went out for a smoke. Leaving the beer in the fridge when I smoke fixed that one in short order. Now it's easy to make a beer last for an hour or more.

3. Try setting a quantity of beer that you're going to drink for the evening and see if you can make that stick. Kick the wine to the curb for now, maybe even get it out of the house. Buy a limited quantity of beer, so you have to go out and get more if you drink what you have. The Nal may help you "push back" on the urge to drink in that respect. Remember, you only need one drink + the Nal for the Extinction Event to occur.

You may also be able to cut the Nal back to 25mg, but try the above first and bounce the idea off Joanna if not your doc.

It may be that the Nal-overs are just going to be part of the program, I hope not. I'll let others with more Nal-over experience jump in here and let you know how they dealt with it.

I'll shoot you a PM with some other questions.