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 Post subject: Hi
PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 12:51 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Amy from Vegas
PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 2:59 pm 
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The answer to your question will require someone more qualified than myself.

From what I just looked up, Lortab is essentially the same as Vicodin, an opiate. Naltrexone is an opiate receptor blocker, which is how the Sinclair Method works, by blocking the brains endorphins (an opiate related chemical) from reaching the opiate receptors. It seems to me at face value and not as a medical person, that taking an opiate blocker while you are taking, or addicted, to Lortab could cause serious and possibly deadly withdrawals.

I hope someone with a medical background can help with this answer.

Anyway, please hold off, until someone with more knowledge than I can answer. Thanks!

Bob

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 Post subject: Re: Amy from Vegas
PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 4:28 pm 
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Welcome Amy --

You and I have a lot in common (past history or eating disorders, daily drinking, kids, and a driven personality). We differ on controlled substance abuse, however. I agree with Bob on this one -- you shouldn't be using Naltrexone while taking Lortab. The following excerpts from pages 214 and 216 in "The Cure for Alcoholism" are very clear about this:

Individualization of Dosage:
DO NOT ATTEMPT TREATMENT WITH NALTREXONE UN-
LESS, IN THE MEDICAL JUDGEMENT OF THE PRESCRIBING
PHYSICIAN, THERE IS NO REASONABLE POSSIBILITY OF OPI-
OID USE WITHIN THE PAST 7 to 10 DAYS. IF THERE IS ANY
QUESTION OF OCCULT OPIOID DEPENDENCE, PERFORM A
NALOXONE CHALLENGE TEST.

CONTRAINDICATIONS
Naltrexone is contraindicated in:
1) Patients receiving opioid analgesics.
2) Patients currently dependent on opioids, including those
currently maintained on opiate agonists [e.g., methadone or LAAM
(levo-alpha-acetyl-methadol)].
3) Patients in acute opioid withdrawal (see WARNINGS).
4) Any individual who has failed the naloxone challenge test or
who has a positive urine screen for opioids.
5) Any individual with a history of sensitivity to naltrexone or
any other components of this product. It is not known if there is
any cross-sensitivity with naloxone or the phenanthrene contain-
ing opioids.
6) Any individual with acute hepatitis or liver failure.

For safety sake, you should consult with your physician before starting the TSM method.

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 Post subject: Re: Amy from Vegas
PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 6:02 pm 
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Bummer....not the answer I was looking for! How do I get off the Lortab first? I've got zero willpower, even to get off just 3 a day :cry:


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 Post subject: Re: Amy from Vegas
PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 6:20 pm 
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Amy,

Suboxone is one of the most widely prescribed treatment protocols for opioid (pain-killer) dependence. I've provided background information on the drug below, as well as a link to Las Vegas area doctors who may be able to help you.

http://www.suboxone-directory.com/nevad ... egas-detox

Drug Information:
Suboxone® is the first opioid medication approved for the treatment of opioid dependence in an office-based setting.

Suboxone® also can be dispensed for take-home use, just as any other medicine for other medical conditions.

The primary active ingredient in Suboxone is buprenorphine.

Because buprenorphine is a partial opioid agonist, its opioid effects are limited compared with those produced by full opioid agonists, such as oxycodone or heroin. Subxone also contains naloxone, an opioid antagonist.

The naloxone in Subxone is there to discourage people from dissolving the tablet and injecting it. When Subxone is placed under the tongue, as directed, very little naloxone reaches the bloodstream, so what the patient feels are the effects of the buprenorphine. However, if naloxone is injected, it can cause that person to quickly go into withdrawal.

SUBOXONE at the appropriate dose may be used to:

* Suppress symptoms of opioid withdrawal
* Decrease cravings for opioids
* Reduce illicit opioid use
* Block the effects of other opioids
* Help patients stay in treatment

Hope this information helps you!

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Wk9-12: 15, 18, 13, 14
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 Post subject: Re: Amy from Vegas
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Hi Amy, and welcome! I am glad you found us.

If you haven't done so already, I highly recommend you read: http://www.thecureforalcoholism.com

From pg 217:

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.. patients must be opioid-free for a minimum of 7 to 10 days before starting naltrexone.

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 Post subject: Re: Amy from Vegas
PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 9:24 pm 
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Hi Amy, welcome and I am so glad you felt free enough to ask your questions.

I am so very proud of the board members and of their thoughtfulness and studied investigation.

I am sure you have found much of this to be helpful. Best to you,

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AF Oct 22, 23, 24, 25, 26
week 33- 5 units!
week 34 -20 units
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week 44 (?) 60-70
One year later Not Cured. But able to limit my units somewhat better.


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