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 Post subject: Just hangin' around - waiting for the mail
PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 12:03 am 
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I haven't posted in a while but I've been dropping in. I'm still waiting for the book and the Nal which I bought online. Hoping the drugs don't get intercepted. Next time I'll buy from River.

I am one of those people that might binge once or twice a week. So, I'm wondering whether I should take the two 25 mills pills the first two days I get them then deliberately go out and buy some booze on the third day and drink. Otherwise, how can I get the initial dosages out of the way?

How did everybody else do it?

I get a little discouraged when I see some poster's pre Sinclair and post Sinclair drink units. More than a couple of people seem to really increase their drinking and experience stronger cravings on the method than off of it. I find that a little scary.


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 Post subject: Re: Just hangin' around - waiting for the mail
PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 3:03 am 
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samsara wrote:
I am one of those people that might binge once or twice a week. So, I'm wondering whether I should take the two 25 mills pills the first two days I get them then deliberately go out and buy some booze on the third day and drink. Otherwise, how can I get the initial dosages out of the way?

The Sinclair Method recommends 50mg of Naltexone 1 hour prior to drinking alcohol. The 25mg recommendation you read in this forum is something we all have come up with to to ease a person into the 50mg dose as there are a few side effects (e.g., nausea). Naltrexone is a very safe drug. Worst case (if you take a full 50Mg), you might feel sleepy and/or like throwing up.

Suggest you start with 25mg for the first two days, then increase to 50mg after that. Remember to take Nal at least one hour before drinking. The first weeks, maybe you should work to taking Nal everyday and drinking at least a couple drinks one hour after taking Nal; everyday instead of binging, even though your pattern is to drink 2 days a week. Remember, extinction only takes place when you have Nal + Drinking. If you have a desire to binge, go for it, but only do it one hour after taking Nal.

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I get a little discouraged when I see some poster's pre Sinclair and post Sinclair drink units. More than a couple of people seem to really increase their drinking and experience stronger cravings on the method than off of it
. I find that a little scary.

This is an incorrect statement. I believe you are looking at reports made in this forum 1-3 weeks after starting the Sinclair Method, not the 4-6 months recommended in Dr. Eskapa's book. Indeed, most of us using the Sinclair Method experience a drastic decrease in drinking, and craving, the first 1-3 weeks after starting the Sinclair Method, but quickly "spike" back up to pre-Sinclair methods drinking levels after this. This experience is documented in Dr. Eskapa's book and verified by nearly everyone in this forum. We refer to this as the "honeymoon phase." It is short lived, but expected.

Remember: Nalrextone + Drinking = Cure (over time --- 3-6 months).

There are only a small number of people in this community who are at the 3-6 week mark because of how new this community is (i.e., it is at most 1 month old). Of these people who are 4+ months out, the results are very positive. In time, when more of us hit the 4-6 month mark, I have no doubt more positive first hand results will be reported.

If you do not have Dr. Eskapa's book, then you need to get it. Once you have this book, look at the extinction graphs made from the Clinical Trials. Take note that in the first few weeks of starting the Sinclair Method, drinking levels are very close to Pre-sinclair levels. The real results take place 3+ months out.

Extinction takes time. Naltrexone is not a get sober drug that will cure you in a couple days. This is a 4-6 month process.

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 Post subject: Re: Just hangin' around - waiting for the mail
PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 11:01 am 
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This is helpful. Thanks.

I'm waiting for the book which I bought on Amazon. It's allegedly in transit. The guy's taking forever to ship it. So. I'm kind of in the dark about the exact method.

Still not crazy about the idea of drinking more than I do if only for a brief period of time - but if that's the price of entry into extinction then so be it.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 6:28 pm 
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samsara wrote:
Still not crazy about the idea of drinking more than I do if only for a brief period of time - but if that's the price of entry into extinction then so be it.


No, no, no
Do not alter your drinking habits!!!

Take Nal and drink as you normally would drink. It is that patterns that Nal works with. If you only drink on Saturadays, then take Nal and drink on Saturadays.

Get it?
Got it.
Good

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50 mg /since Jan 13, 2009 << you do the math
Average AF days 6/wk
Average Drinking < 4 drinks/wk

I now count days on Nal, rather than drinking days.

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 Post subject: Re: Just hangin' around - waiting for the mail
PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 8:40 pm 
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Okay, so as there are differing opinions as to whether I should try to alter my drinking pattern to get a daily thing going for a while, or stick to my sporadic benders, I'll figure this out myself.

I got the book and the Nal yesterday and immediately screwed up. I had been reading on the forum that you take 25 milligrams two times in a row to get your body accustomed to it. But, that's of course, only if you are accustomed to drinking every day. I didn't want to drink but I took the 25 anyway and didn't drink. Not the end of the world, I know.

Now I got it.

I took it at night a few hours before I went to bed, no problems. But today, in the afternoon, I have had a lousy metallic taste in my mouth for hours and I feel dehydrated.

Anyone else get this? I hope it goes away. I took another 25 milligrams tonight as I sometimes drink on Friday so I assumed I would. Now, I really don't feel like drinking, but I already took it so I guess I'll drink a glass of wine.
Teething pains.


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 Post subject: Re: Just hangin' around - waiting for the mail
PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 11:23 pm 
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samsara wrote:

Anyone else get this? I hope it goes away. I took another 25 milligrams tonight as I sometimes drink on Friday so I assumed I would. Now, I really don't feel like drinking, but I already took it so I guess I'll drink a glass of wine.
Teething pains.


We all seem to have weird sife effects on the first couple of days but after that we seem to normalize and sing on the same page. Unless you turn green or your nuts fall off you are probably doing OK and just push through it. Most of us go through a week we a real low desire to drink which is cool since it is a prelude to where you will b emonths down the road.

Considering that the only instruction is to take Nal and drink, it is pretty hard to screw this up. Though most of us do on occasion.

The process is slow but remember that for every drink you drink while on Nal, you are getting healthier. Don't get much better than that.

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50 mg /since Jan 13, 2009 << you do the math
Average AF days 6/wk
Average Drinking < 4 drinks/wk

I now count days on Nal, rather than drinking days.

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 Post subject: Re: Just hangin' around - waiting for the mail
PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 9:14 pm 
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I like the fact that so far Nal is taking the fun out of drinking!

It's kind of clinical. Decide whether I am going to drink, take the pill, watch the clock.

I am still on 25 mill because of fatigue and that weird taste in my mouth. Last night I drank a little and was thoroughly disgusted with the wine because it tasted like metal filings. I didn't mind that the wine tasted bad. Problem, is everything else tasted like that too.

I made sure to eat ice cream, too, because I need to shed a few pounds. Hoping I'll develop a dairy extinction!


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 Post subject: Re: Just hangin' around - waiting for the mail
PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 11:26 pm 
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samsara wrote:
I am still on 25 mill because of fatigue and that weird taste in my mouth. Last night I drank a little and was thoroughly disgusted with the wine because it tasted like metal filings. I didn't mind that the wine tasted bad. Problem, is everything else tasted like that too.

I made sure to eat ice cream, too, because I need to shed a few pounds. Hoping I'll develop a dairy extinction!


Just follow the protocol. Two days at 25 and afterward at 50. You know the drill. All the side effects go away within a week. Just push through.

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50 mg /since Jan 13, 2009 << you do the math
Average AF days 6/wk
Average Drinking < 4 drinks/wk

I now count days on Nal, rather than drinking days.

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