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 Post subject: I'm seriously concerned about the dosage I'm taking...
PostPosted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 10:17 pm 
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Hi, all.
I started taking Nal through the Sinclair Method exactly two months ago. From the very first time I used a 50mg dose. Since I was having NO side effects (except some nausea during the binges only) and I was seeing no progress, I decided to double the dosage. It made a tremendous difference!
For over the last ten years I had tried to drink for a few hours only, not succeding at all: My binges always started at around midnight and I wasn't able to quit the "drinking session" before dawn.

But, since the very first time I took 100mg of Naltrexone one hour before start drinking, this dream came true! I stopped drinking before daybreak in seven of the eight times I took this high dosage. It didn't happen in the second time only.

Ok, wonderful, but I admit I'm now worried about possible side effects that this high dosage may bring me in the future. What do you guys think about it?


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 10:44 pm 
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Hi Lone
Not sure if that dosage would hurt or not. It probably would depend on how your liver is functioning and whether or not you take 100 mg daily.

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 Post subject: Re: I'm seriously concerned about the dosage I'm taking...
PostPosted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 11:00 pm 
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Thanks for answering, KatieSmiles, this forum is very important for me because in my country the medical community is tottaly unaware of Naltrexone and even more about the Sinclair Method. The two physicians I talked with (a psychiatrist and a "labor physician" -- probably that's not the correct expression, but I hope you guys understand what I mean), they both had NEVER heard of Naltrexone!

But, about your reply, no, I don't drink everyday. I do it once or twice a week.


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 Post subject: Re: I'm seriously concerned about the dosage I'm taking...
PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 12:53 am 
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Hi Lone,

To the best of my knowledge, no TSM trials have been done on anything but 50mg of Nal. I was the opposite to you, 50mg made me too sick and spaced so I experimented with 25 mg and I've been taking 25 mg for over two months and it's perfect for me. I have often wondered if physical size/weight, gender and duration and severity of drinking would make a difference to how much Nal we need...

I think for Naltrexone to be bad for your liver you need to be taking 300 mg/day. Here is the FDA information about it :

http://www.drugs.com/pro/naltrexone.htm

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Hepatotoxicity

Naltrexone has the capacity to cause hepatocellular injury when given in excessive doses.
Naltrexone is contraindicated in acute hepatitis or liver failure, and its use in patients with active liver disease must be carefully considered in light of its hepatotoxic effects.
The margin of separation between the apparently safe dose of Naltrexone and the dose causing hepatic injury appears to be only five-fold or less. Naltrexone does not appear to be a hepatotoxin at the recommended doses.
Patients should be warned of the risk of hepatic injury and advised to stop the use of Naltrexone and seek medical attention if they experience symptoms of acute hepatitis.

Evidence of the hepatotoxic potential of Naltrexone is derived primarily from a placebo controlled study in which Naltrexone hydrochloride was administered to obese subjects at a dose approximately five-fold that recommended for the blockade of opiate receptors (300 mg per day). In that study, 5 of 26 Naltrexone recipients developed elevations of serum transaminases (i.e., peak ALT values ranging from a low of 121 to a high of 532; or 3 to 19 times their baseline values) after three to eight weeks of treatment. Although the patients involved were generally clinically asymptomatic and the transaminase levels of all patients on whom follow-up was obtained returned to (or toward) baseline values in a matter of weeks, the lack of any transaminase elevations of similar magnitude in any of the 24 placebo patients in the same study is persuasive evidence that Naltrexone is a direct (i.e., not idiosyncratic) hepatotoxin.


A possibility might be to try 75mg later when you feel that your drinking is under control.

In the mean time you could ask to have blood taken to see if you liver is ok, without going into details about TSM or Nal.

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 Post subject: Re: I'm seriously concerned about the dosage I'm taking...
PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 1:14 am 
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Thank you very much, CuriousOne, that was a quite technical and reliable info!
But I must ask, since English is not my native language: what exactly is "five-fold"?


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 Post subject: Re: I'm seriously concerned about the dosage I'm taking...
PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 2:35 am 
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Five-fold means times five or multiplied by five.

So basically the articles says that liver toxicity can occur with less than 5 times the normal does of Naltrexone, I presume that 'normal' is 50 mg, so, in this case, it's 50 mg of Naltrexone multiplied by 5 = 250 mg of Naltrexone. I think.

Your English is excellent!

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12.5mg 6-5-4-etc
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 Post subject: Re: I'm seriously concerned about the dosage I'm taking...
PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 2:23 pm 
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I have received the same information as Curious from my doc - 300mg is where you might start having negative effects on your liver from the naltrexone. By and large, however, the negative damage done by DRINKING is going to be worse than that caused by nal. If you're only bingeing once or twice a week, I think 100 mg is probably safe. I think yogagirl (on this forum) was on 100mg as prescribed by her doctor. Routine bloodwork with a liver check is always a good idea, however.
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 Post subject: Re: I'm seriously concerned about the dosage I'm taking...
PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 9:47 pm 
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Thanks for replying the post, guys. Yeah, I'll keep up with the 100 mg dosage and do as curiousOne suggested to follow my liver's response to the treatment.

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