TSM + (THM, Gabapenten, etc.)

steven · **Posted:** Sat Jul 25, 2015 2:42 pm

How are you girls doing with this route? Hope all ok?

Steve

Maggie1929 · **Joined:** Thu Jan 22, 2015 12:27 pm **Posts:** 1691

Hi Steve - well this week I have had five AF - yes FIVE but had 10 drinks on the other two days! I have actually ordered me some just DHM as the Thrive did NOT work for me - the folk who ship out the DHM actually e-mailed me and I told them that the Thrive made me feel terrible so they suggested I try their DHM - LOL. So I have just got it today in the post - but I was AF today so could not try it - I did take a Thrive yesterday - just one before drinking and STILL had five !! I need to try the Gaba again next time I drink ..... aiming for AF tomorrow though - I wish I could just have two !! But it seems that I still have no stop button ! I will get there - five AF really amazed me - although I was so rough the day after having the five on Monday that I did not want to drink Tuesday or Wednesday! That is a first for me - I never used to get hungover on five drinks!

How are you doing ??

Hugs, Maggie x

steven · **Posted:** Sun Jul 26, 2015 2:59 pm

Hi Maggie!
How am I doing?? Good question. After my bragging about self control, I found myself in a little backslide. No AF days. My rule is 2 beers but yesterday I had 4. It was not at all the chasing euphoria/endorphin blast thing but more a need to shut down a noisy brain thing. Oddly it followed a day of human connection. Spent a couple hours in open and honest conversation with Alky (sober) brother-in-law. Most angry and agitated person I know. Spent evening at the county fair. I bought senior season pass and speed walk through the crowd. Talk to strangers. Mostly to Hispanics cuz white young people seem to think old guys are creepy or perverts or something.

Anyway, I seem to need to redouble my vigilance and shoot for some AF's. Your 5 AF's seems really impressive to me no matter the cause. The Nal-overs may be a gift in disguise. Seems so odd you suffered worse hangovers with THM. They basically market the stuff as a hangover remedy.
Hang in there.
Steve.

Maggie1929 · **Joined:** Thu Jan 22, 2015 12:27 pm **Posts:** 1691

Well, a backslide is okay - I think after a backslide we get a rush forward so maybe they are good to get! Plus the fact that you recognize it too which is a good thing .... and will probably be more mindful about drinking again now. I am surprised that the AL shuts down a noisy brain for you. It actually makes mine worse - well, with the Nal it does - it also makes me angry really easy too - which is so unlike me. The Nal is definitely making me not want to drink with all the things it seems to do to me. I too was amazed at the Thrive making the hangover worse - I mean I never got bad ones with 5 drinks, but these this past couple of weeks have been awful - and when I took the Thrive, it made no difference at all. I think it was UKB who said that Nal-Overs can be really bad just sometimes and there is no rhyme nor reason to them or how severe they are. Next time I drink I will try the DHM - maybe the gaba and then the DHM before bed. Yes lots of drugs but have tried a couple of different combos and so far nothing works ! Maybe just end up sticking with the Nal....

How long has your B-I-L been sober ? How did he do it ? Does he know that you are taking Nal?

Have a great week ..... I wish Newlife would post - Ireland DOES have Wi-Fi !! LOL

Hugs, Maggie x

Mason · **Joined:** Wed Apr 22, 2015 3:18 pm **Posts:** 37

Guapo wrote:

Guy goes the doctor, asks for a pill to help get to sleep.

Dr. says fine.

Guy says can I also get a pill to help me get up in the morning ?

I read these discussions, and I wonder why people are chasing medications all around. If the naltrexone didn't work by itself without any behavioral changes why would other medications?

Is the goal be to replace alcohol with other medications ? Why not make behavioral changes?

If that means taking an occasional naltrexone when you might drink, as we are all here because that's been a problem, fine.

If you're ultimately going to feel crappy from drinking, or taking naltrexone, it's a no-brainer that taking neither will be better

The people that succeed around here, don't drink very much or care to. It just isn't worth it.

You need to shut the fuKk up. The pink cloud is always about arrogance.

steven · **Posted:** Tue Jul 28, 2015 2:37 pm

Hi, Mason. Eloquently put.
Steve.

newlife · **Joined:** Thu Feb 26, 2015 12:54 pm **Posts:** 1204

I have been taking one GABA per day. Have not tried the THRIVE again after the second time when it made me feel worse. Have faithfully continued my nal. And suddenly seemed to have had a breakthrough on my recent trip. I don't know if the GABA contributed to that. Still a work in progress.

But, Steve, Maggie, all, thanks for caring and asking. A long road for (most) of us. Hugs from Newlife

steven · **Posted:** Mon Aug 03, 2015 2:49 pm

AttaGirl!!
Steve

Guapo · **Joined:** Fri May 09, 2014 10:08 am **Posts:** 438

Mason wrote:

You need to shut the fuKk up. The pink cloud is always about arrogance.

Well, I looked up "pink cloud", so now I'm a little smarter. I never did any rehab or AA or such so I didn't know the term.

All I meant to say is IMHO are other non medication ways in addition to Naltrexone that can help get you off the Alcohol Merry Go Round.

and BTW, life is NOT exponentially better now, as I enjoyed drinking and there's still some time to fill etc, There's no doubt this is a better way to live though.

steven · **Posted:** Mon Aug 03, 2015 4:57 pm

Fair enough, Guapo. And apologies. I had to laugh at Masons response. She is amazingly blunt but honest and I love her for it. I also had to look up red mist and I had to rethink some of my arrogant self-rightousness. I think we can use a "Queen-of-BeechSlap" around here and I would certainly nominate Mason. Except I think she tired of the drama here and doesn't visit often.

Steve

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