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 Post subject: Question about Sinclair Method and doses
PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2016 2:12 pm 
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Hi all,

This is my first post, i have some questions about the sinclair method, would appreciate if someone could help.

Can i start the sinclair method and use it only when i drink or act out? Or does the sinclair method require that we take it everyday for the first 30 days?
Is there any sucess story on extinction with lower doses of naltrexone, like between 3 and 12 mg? I would like to start small and i dont know how can i be aware if the dose is working or not. I believe that, for example, if i found that 6 mg works, it would be suficient for me, but how can it know? When would i know that is not working, after two weeks?

Sorry for so many questions. I am new and i would like to feel secure on this.

Peter


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 Post subject: Re: Question about Sinclair Method and doses
PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2016 10:26 pm 
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I believe you are not serious about the Sinclair method.

It starts At 50MG.

If your body cannot take that you get side effects, and then yess you would go lower, But thats really going to be half an assed sinclair method or what?

I am not trying to be mean. I am new on this program. 50mg to hit our brain to turn off our brains from alcohol. I think i need 75mg. Good luck with your question.. if there are those that take low does.. I'm also interested ?


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 Post subject: Re: Question about Sinclair Method and doses
PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2016 12:27 am 
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not everyone are equal in tolerance, i prefer to start low instead of trying the big bullet first. I think first priority is to see if your body can handle this med, instead of risking 50 mg and being 2 3 days vomiting and with stomach problems. Not saying i will not get to that dose. but let your body get use to it? And i heard that for some the sinclair method works on low doses. For example,a clinic in new Zealand, they have some good statistics on curing addicts with a controled release patch of 5 mg per day, dont know how they do it. I could post here the site, but it would be kind of advertising, so i will only post what they say:

"Naltrexone treatments have so many advantages and applications it is one of the greatest antagonists ever. Over the last year and after lots of patients we have not received any complaints about side -effects of any kind with respect to the product.

The fact that we have controlled release of the active substance of only 5mg per day to the body is responsible for its good feedback. When you research on the internet we find some symptoms being mentioned by patients that have not been tested in a controlled study.

The FDA rates normal or low dosages of Naltrexone at dosages of between 4mg and 8mg.These are the dosages that we use as a rule. Naltrexone has been registered by the FDA."


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 Post subject: Re: Question about Sinclair Method and doses
PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2016 5:10 am 
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some people seem to have success at 25mm, but many (including me) have almost zero side effects with 50mm. honestly, I'd give 50mm a try and cut it in half if the first day is difficult. welcome and good luck!

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 Post subject: Re: Question about Sinclair Method and doses
PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2016 5:52 am 
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i agree, if i have no side effect i would go that way. Im curiuous, in the first day you took it, did you felt any side effect? Like no desire to do nothing, tired, náusea, tired or something?


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 Post subject: Re: Question about Sinclair Method and doses
PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2016 1:26 pm 
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I felt kind of "speedy" and proceeded to clean the house and vacuum! after a few hours, I never felt anything, and haven't since. (kinda wish I would have stayed that ambitious!) been SE-free since the first day on 50mg.....

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months 1-6: avg 17/ 1 AF/wk
months 7-12: avg 13/2 AF/wk
months 13-18: avg 11/3 AF/wk


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 Post subject: Re: Question about Sinclair Method and doses
PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2016 2:37 pm 
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I don't recall anyone recommending that you start right at 50mg's. You should start with a half dose for the first several days then move up to 50mg or else you might suffer some side effects. WHen I started TSM well over a year ago I started on 1/4 dose and it worked so well I almost never took more. On occasion I take a half dose if I think I will be up late. Actually what I tend to do is split a pill 4 ways and then take the larger quarters and save the smaller ones to split up with other smaller ones so I probably take about 15mgs when I use it. I took a full pill only once in the 15 months that I have been on TSM and honestly I didn't notice any difference in the lack of desire to drink.

Having said that... IT works differently for everyone so you have to find out for yourself. The studies and the data say that you should use 50mg so that's what you should use. But definitely start off slow. You have nothing to lose since you are just starting. It would be far worse for example if you were doing TSM for say 3 months then decided to start experimenting with 1/4 tabs and then slipped back into heavy drinking. So at this beginning stage you can poke around and see what works. BUt after about two weeks you should not have any side effects on a full 50mg pill and if you want to play by the book, which you should, then that's the recommended dose.


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 Post subject: Re: Question about Sinclair Method and doses
PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2016 10:59 pm 
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Hi new here.

I started TSM Monday November 14, 2016. I have to admit so far I do feel "weird" on a 50mg dose of NAL. I'd almost describe it as sketchy. However, I am drinking at a slower pace than normal. Where a 6 pack would last an hour and a half, two hours tops (complete with the rest of the evening being restless and power smoking to try and get my self drowsy so I'd fall asleep), I've found that by the time I've finished the last drink, it's my regular bed time. Last night I didn't finish my 6th beer.

Back to the dosage, yesterday was day 3 and I was going to be drinking outside of the house (dinner at a friends) for the first time on NAL/TSM, and given the "sketchy" way I had been feeling from 50mg, I decided to only take half a pill. (exactly an hour before I had my first drink). I found that I wasn't feeling weird like I had been on 50mg, and I drank at the same speed I had on day 1 and 2.

I'm encouraged about the reading I have been doing on TSM and I want it to work so I want to make sure I'm taking the correct dosage.

Has anyone else experienced any "weird" feeling on NAL at the beginning? Maybe it's just my body getting use to it.


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 Post subject: Re: Question about Sinclair Method and doses
PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2016 3:05 am 
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Welcome to the community and congratulations on getting started on TSM, Raisin! Sounds like it's already having an effect on you!

Many people get side effects from Naltrexone, they generally last from a few days to a couple of weeks. Starting at a lower dose is indeed generally recommended. Give the hint's and tips a good look through, it's covered in there along with some other recommendations:

http://optionssavelives.freeforums.net/ ... hints-tips

Again, welcome and I look forward to reading your progress reports!


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 Post subject: Re: Question about Sinclair Method and doses
PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2016 11:11 pm 
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Thank you, appreciate the link. Great guideline.

In addition to the NAL, i'm also on 600mg of Gabapentin, 3 times a day. I feel that the GabaP has been improving my mood and I haven't been having any sleep problems, which I equate to the GP.

I also smoke marijuana (I'm from Vancouver, BC. It's sold on every street corner). I typically smoke 2 to 3 joints a night (always in the evening after work), and on day one of the NAL I didn't even finish one joint!

Today is day 5. It's a Friday and typically I would drink 10 units. 8 beers and a couple of swigs of Vodka (a friend of mine drinks vodka and when the beer is done I run to him for a shot). Or else 3 or 4 drinks out at dinner and a 6 pack when I got home.

I picked up a 6 pack today and a 250ml can of white wine. I'm on beer 5, started at 6pm, it's 9pm now my time. I also only took 25mg today. I might go back to 50mg tomorrow and tough out the "weird" feeling.. I'm hoping I don't drink the wine tonight. I probably will just out of habit. It's there and I almost NEVER leave anything left over.

Again, encouraged by the results so far.

Thanks again for the link Joe.


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