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 Post subject: Cured really means "cured"
PostPosted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 5:55 pm 
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Forum and friends,

This last experience, I felt I had to perform for myself and document in order to prove the depth of the TSM cure (at least to me).

If the cure really did get rid the addiction to alcohol, then I should be able to take an occasional drink with a pill of Naltrexone with no re-addiction. I think I proved that over and over the last several months. Occasional drinks, punctuated by weeks of no alcohol, with no compulsion between each occasional drink or drinks. I had some recent surgery and during the paperwork prior to the pre-op, when they asked when my last drink was and I had to think, they marked me down as a sporadic light social drinker or something like that.

Since, the in-patient surgery had risk associated with it, and they were taking blood during the pre-op, I couldn't have any Naltrexone in my system. Plus with the small risk of being my last time in this system of things, I decided to have some drinks with {gasp} no Naltrexone.

Here's the experience: I bought a six pack of beer, went home and consumed it over the period of one evening. The drinking experience was somewhat more enjoyable than with the Naltrexone, but hard to put into words. Also, I drank faster and had more drinks than I normally would have had if I had taken my Naltrexone. Technically, I didn't have a whole 6 pack, since I dumped half the 5th one, when I felt I had enough. Then I had the last one an hour later.

I waited over a week to tell this story, since I wanted to see if the desire would return. It did not. Of course, I could argue it wasn't a fair test, since I was hospitalized for a day of that time and couldn't have anything to drink after I got home anyway, since I was taking codeine for pain. But now that I'm not in pain any longer, I still have no desire for alcohol. That one experience did not rekindle any desire or compulsion for it again. The addiction is definitely broken. I strongly suspect that the addiction would return if I drank without Naltrexone many times over several months.

All that said, this was a one time experiment. In the future, if and when I have an impulse for an alcoholic beverage whether in a social situation or not, I will be taking 50mg of Naltrexone. And if I still feel like having such a beverage an hour or so later, I will. If not, I won't. (That last statement is an observation about Naltrexone I've heard other people sat, but I have not documented it myself, although I have experienced it myself. You feel like drinking, take a Naltrexone, wait one hour, then you don't feel like drinking).

That's it. End of the journey. Voyage to normalcy completed. No fear about the future either. Not only do you get your life back, but there is a confidence that there is nothing that cannot be solved. I want this to happen to all of you that read this.

Your friend,
Bob

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 Post subject: Re: Cured really means "cured"
PostPosted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 8:40 pm 
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Hi Bob,

As usual, your posts are inspiring and uplifting. Thank you so much for taking the time to keep in touch.

I can report a similar experience. I enjoy alcohol but only rarely. I'm not as careful as you; sometimes I forget to take my naltrexone, or maybe remember after the first sip. It does not seem to matter. I, like you, feel perfectly cured.

Edit: Bob, I just read your other recent post, and had not realized that you might not be posting as regularly in the future. As a long time participant in this forum, I want to extend my sincerest gratitude for your selfless input and support. I am sort of speechless, so I will just leave it at that. I wish you the very best, my friend. Please do check in from time to time. We all benefit from your success and experience.

Very Best,
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 Post subject: Re: Cured really means "cured"
PostPosted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 6:37 pm 
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That's really inspiring, Bob. I know you've probably discussed this at some point, but may I ask if you were a binge drinker, or more than that? I ask because I'm a binger in my sixth month on TSM, and have had only limited success so far.


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 Post subject: Re: Cured really means "cured"
PostPosted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 8:45 pm 
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weird-oh wrote:
That's really inspiring, Bob. I know you've probably discussed this at some point, but may I ask if you were a binge drinker, or more than that? I ask because I'm a binger in my sixth month on TSM, and have had only limited success so far.
Daily drinker. Never missed a day... Sunday through Saturday for years. Very consistent intake of 7 to 8 units per day.

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 Post subject: Re: Cured really means "cured"
PostPosted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 8:51 pm 
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Cool post. I definitely think that daily drinkers have a much smoother road to cure than binge drinkers. (If you compare the cured daily drinkers to cured binge drinkers.) I also think it helps if you only drink one type of drink. Pure conjecture obviously.

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 Post subject: Re: Cured really means "cured"
PostPosted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 9:05 am 
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Bob, thanks for all you've contributed here. I found your experiment fascinating but the results didn't surprise me. You've been rewired back to your pre-alcoholic days. You could learn to be an alcoholic again quicker this time but it would probably takes weeks or months of drinking without nal. Contrast this with BenTSM, if he drinks without nal he ends up on a binge from hell and in the hospital. Your cure is 100% complete and you are now the gold standard for a cured alcoholic. If anyone out there in 12step land thinks the 12 steps should be the treatment of choice for alcoholics try what Bob just did and see what happens. That's the difference between repressing alcoholism versus curing it. Godspeed Bob3d

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 Post subject: Re: Cured really means "cured"
PostPosted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 6:28 pm 
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Saint Vincent wrote:
Bob, thanks for all you've contributed here. I found your experiment fascinating but the results didn't surprise me. You've been rewired back to your pre-alcoholic days. You could learn to be an alcoholic again quicker this time but it would probably takes weeks or months of drinking without nal. Contrast this with BenTSM, if he drinks without nal he ends up on a binge from hell and in the hospital. Your cure is 100% complete and you are now the gold standard for a cured alcoholic. If anyone out there in 12step land thinks the 12 steps should be the treatment of choice for alcoholics try what Bob just did and see what happens. That's the difference between repressing alcoholism versus curing it. Godspeed Bob3d


Thanks Bob-I'd b terrified to try drinking w/o NAL, but I guess that's the difference between having almost two years as opposed to 3 months under your belt. If anything varies in the coming months (positive or negative) please check back in with the forum. :) Your presence will be missed.

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Weekly Averages: Month#3: 14(5); Month#4: 35(3); Month#5: 3(6); Month#6: 1(6); Month#7: 1(6); Month#8: 1(6)
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 Post subject: Re: Cured really means "cured"
PostPosted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 11:49 am 
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Zero_nine_point_one wrote:
I definitely think that daily drinkers have a much smoother road to cure than binge drinkers. (If you compare the cured daily drinkers to cured binge drinkers.) I also think it helps if you only drink one type of drink.


Well Q was a binger and so was I. For me it was like 2 days drunk, 2 days sober, and so on. And when I was going I would mix it up, drink wise. At home it was mostly beer and wine, but at the bar it was tequila. As TSM started to ruin my taste for wine, and beer couldn't get the job done I switched to mostly hard liquor.

I think TSM works fine for bingers, but we have to be extra careful to follow the "Golden Rule" as we are less likely to have established routines in our drinking.

Thanks for the post, Bob - inspirational as always.

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 Post subject: Re: Cured really means "cured"
PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 5:32 pm 
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Hey everyone!

I'm going to be on day one of TSM as of 4:30 today when I get my prescription from my doctor. Reading these stories on this forum is extremely emotional to me. I find so many feelings welling up inside me and your post put me on the verge of tears. I've been a heavy drinker for over a decade and recently my intake has gone up to a staggering 18-20 beers a night.

I'm filled with joy at the thought of actually being cured. I found out about TSM on the Internet several months ago, but did nothing. Today I made what will probably amount to the most important phone call in my life, and I'm finally doing something about it. I'm a little scared, but willing to face those fears.

Thanks for sharing your story.

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Week 2: 57 - 3af
Week 3: 70 - 2af
Week 4: 59 - 1af
Week 5: 90 - 1af
Week 6: 36 - 1af
Week 7: 70 - 0af
Week 8: 48 - 3af
Week 9: 52 - 2af
Week 10: 48 - 3af
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 Post subject: Re: Cured really means "cured"
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Fantastic!!!

Bob you have provided me with such hope this morning I don't have the words to express my grattitude! With a tear of joy!

Colleen

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