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 Post subject: Fascinating study on spicy food and people like us
PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 1:28 pm 
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Hey everyone, look at this study I found. A Korean MD/PhD found an association between people who like spicy foods and those who drink too much. The idea makes some sense because both produce endorphin release.

Potentially MORE interesting though, was a link that the scientist found between spicy food loving and naltrexone response. This pop science article words it pretty strongly saying that nal was ineffective in people that don't love spicy food. Again this makes some sense. There are many reasons to be a drunk. If you don't do it for the endorphins, blocking those endorphins probably won't do much for you. If you are an endorphin fiend, turning that circuit down should affect your behavior.

Sadly, this study has apparently not yet been published, at least not that I can find. It was reported at a conference and repeated in the media, and so there is really no way to get an idea of whether it's even worth paying attention to at this point. Like I said, the ideas make a lot of sense scientifically, but any halfway decent scientist will tell you, that doesn't mean much. As soon as the paper is actually published, ill be back here to give it a proper "expert opinion" or whatever.

In the mean time though, let's collect a little anecdotal data. I'll start
I'm an alcoholic and I love spicy food. I drink sriracha for breakfast. Naltrexone has changed my life.
My brother and father are both alcoholics, and both love spicy food. They haven't tried nal.
My mother doesn't like spicy food. She is not an alcoholic in the slightest.

Who else? Do you love it hot? Has nal worked for you?

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 Post subject: Re: Fascinating study on spicy food and people like us
PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 3:41 pm 
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Hmmm.... I don't hate it, but I don't love it.... I prefer mild salsa. :-) I do love salty and sweet!

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 Post subject: Re: Fascinating study on spicy food and people like us
PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 8:32 pm 
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I have never eaten anything too hot.

I once came close. I had a crazy hot curry overseas, when i was done, it looked like someone poured a bucket of water on me because i had sweat so much.

Mmmmmmm. Peppers.

Nal worked too well for me.

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 Post subject: Re: Fascinating study on spicy food and people like us
PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 10:18 am 
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I don't avoid spice, but don't love it extra-hot. I usually order spicy food at the medium spice level. There are also many bland foods that I enjoy.

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 Post subject: Re: Fascinating study on spicy food and people like us
PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 4:10 pm 
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Just found a wild pepper plant in my backyard. Super-hot. Joy joy joy.

;)

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Skipping nal? Not waiting the full hour?

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinforcement

Read "intermittent reinforcement" and "schedules"

Pre: 14-30/wk
9 Oct 13: 2.5
15 Oct 13: 3.5
17 Nov 13: 1.75
28 Feb 14: 2
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 Post subject: Re: Fascinating study on spicy food and people like us
PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 10:39 pm 
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Well, that was timely. :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Fascinating study on spicy food and people like us
PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2013 11:03 am 
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Generic,

This sounds spot on.

I love spicy foods. Hot wings and beer.

Spicy Salsa and Chili.

I am an alcoholic and love spicy food.
My dad loves spicy food and is a recovered alcoholic.
My mom hates spicy foods and is not an alcoholic.
All of my co-workers and friends that I consider are either alcoholics or at least borderline alcoholics, pretty much all like spicy foods to excess.

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 Post subject: Re: Fascinating study on spicy food and people like us
PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2013 6:07 pm 
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I love spicy foods
I am an alcoholic and Naltrexone seems to have worked for me. It definitely cut back my ability to drink so much.

I also smoked as well.. so maybe that might have a part in this too?
( smoking is said to deaden taste buds)
It would be interesting to hear how many of you who like spicy foods, also smoke, as it may be more to do with that than alcoholism?

(my smoking definitely goes hand in hand with drinking, thereby I had to quit the cigs in order to quit the drink)


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 Post subject: Re: Fascinating study on spicy food and people like us
PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 5:48 pm 
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Zodina -

While I was never a daytime smoker, the urge to smoke a half a pack used to become pretty near 100% irresistible somewhere around drink #8. So irresistible, that I would smoke in front of people whom it was completely inappropriate for me to smoke in front of: family, co-workers, etc... He11, one time at a company retreat I even cracked a window and smoked in the hotel room of the head of the institute I worked at. It should be noted that I am a cancer researcher, and the head of that institute studies non-small cell lung cancer, and abhors smoking. Sooooo, yeah.

Naltrexone has been even more effective at killing the late night smoking urge than even controlling my drinking. While I still sometimes get to that eighth drink, I haven't had a smoke (or even wanted one) in... I guess it's been like a year. Thank god that's behind me.

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 Post subject: Re: Fascinating study on spicy food and people like us
PostPosted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 7:01 pm 
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Interesting. I too love spicy food, have done since I was a kid.


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